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[liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries |

Lucas Dixon ldixon at
Thu Oct 24 07:10:09 PDT 2013

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Collin Anderson
<collin at>wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Roger Dingledine <arma at> wrote:
>> That was a different guy though right? And surely this time
>> they're doing it right, with a comprehensive design document and threat
>> model, open source, etc before the publicity splash?
> Sort of, but I think these challenges about Google or Jared Cohen's
> involvements with either are a bit immaterial -- particularly given the
> development chain and that I believe it will be open source at the time of
> actual use. My understanding is that uProxy simply opens a SOCKS connection
> to relay traffic with your G+/XMPP peer through WebRTC; it is not exactly
> reinventing the Internet or circumvention. Anyway, uProxy is developed by
> University of Washington and Brave New Software (Lantern), hence the
> "seeded by Google Ideas" note. The developers seemed to be kicking around
> thoughts on the next stage of transport, so it would be a prime time to
> bother them about pluggable transports.

Yes, pluggable transports good :)

I should clarify that SOCKS5 is a technical detail of how uproxy trusted
tester works internally. That's not what's on the wire.  Likewise, XMPP is
a nice way to interface to several chat networks. But we want not just
pluggable transport, but also pluggable rendezvous - you want to have lots
of ways to setup P2P of personal cloud-to-peer connections. Email can work
too. I think one wants to avoid tying oneself to a single service.

Lucas Dixon | Google Ideas
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