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[liberationtech] WaPo releases details on US offensive cyber-ops

Jason Gulledge ramdac at
Mon Sep 2 15:01:52 PDT 2013

On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:13 PM, coderman <coderman at> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Gregory Foster
> <gfoster at> wrote:
>> ...
>> The NSA designs most of its own implants, but it devoted $25.1
>> million this year to “additional covert purchases of software
>> vulnerabilities” from private malware vendors, a growing
>> gray-market industry based largely in Europe.
> i would love to know how much of the overall market for exploits this
> $25.1mm figure represents, and how much was exclusive vs. shared
> access...
> -- 

Perhaps just as troubling….  there's no certainty that the companies who deal in cyber-arms (exploits) to governments aren't selling the same exploits to other, adversarial governments.   Some companies, like Vupen, attempt to make themselves seem like they're doing humanity a favor by only selling to "NATO members", but when faced with criticism from companies who can't (or won't) outbid governments for access to exploits, Vupen had this to say:

“We don’t work as hard as we do to help multibillion-dollar software companies make their code secure,... If we wanted to volunteer, we’d help the homeless.”

Many companies against which they develop exploits aren't multi-billion dollar companies, and no one is asking them to volunteer. This company admits it doesn't want to help companies make their code secure. These are cyber arms dealers. 

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Jason Gulledge
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