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[liberationtech] quid pro quo

Kyle Maxwell kylem at xwell.org
Tue Sep 10 13:51:01 PDT 2013


In general, as has been well documented, the telcos and other firms
charge the government for data records. While possibly distasteful
("they're making money off of giving our data to the gov!"), it makes
sense from an operational point of view: there are real, concrete
costs associated with storing, retrieving, and providing those data to
"valid" requests, not to mention the process of handling sensitive
requests in the first place. So I'm not sure the counter approach
("provide it to us for free") is a good idea, either.

That said, you do have all sorts of other pressure. Imagine a company
that does a lot of federal work being told that all their contracts
would have to be reviewed if they don't cooperate: the loss of a
significant (read: material) amount of revenue is a serious motivator
for profit-driven entities. It can get nastier from there:
investigations, regulatory filings, etc. They have lots of leverage to
apply to private organizations, even large powerful ones.

(Disclosure: I work for a telco but I don't speak for them and I damn
sure don't share their opinions on any of this stuff. And I'm not
involved with any sharing of personal data to the gov or anybody else.
I can't even access it.)

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Seth Woodworth <seth at sethish.com> wrote:
> It's not legal to pay for preferential treatment from the government, that's
> bribery.  Why would it be illegal for the NSA to pay ATT & Chase?
>
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> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Let's say major corps like ATT and Chase are doing favors for NSA. Why
>> would they if not for a quid pro quo?
>>
>> And if they are getting favors in return, isn't that illegal?
>>
>> I wonder if there is evidence to show what the payback is.
>>
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