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[liberationtech] Brazil Looks to Break from U.S.-Centric Internet

Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6085 at
Thu Sep 19 16:54:32 PDT 2013


I won't reply to your arguments, which sound to me like "a kitchen
sink rant" to me - which is not bad at all, don't get me worng! They
remind me of an article I read a long time ago about José Antonio
Ramos Sucre, a Venezuelan poet, where the writer did a really good
analogy between his "manic compulsion" to "mask himself" to the "alter
personae" of another, even better -this time, Portuguese- poet,
Fernando Pessoa. Sometimes the stars align, and Pessoa's disciple,
José Saramago, QEPD, won the Nobel Literature Prize, and one of his
novels was "The year of the death of Ricardo Reis" (one of Pessoa's
"alter egos?").

Technically, your posting is "a flame," something to frown upon in
this "civilized forum" - btw, I strongly encourage the moderator to
come in and remind people that this forum is not only about "Internet
Security"; There are other forums that are.

Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
<alps at>
+1 (817) 271-9619

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Moon Jones <mjones at> wrote:
> On 19.09.2013 02:52, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
>> What do you mean exactly by "second-tier thought-leaders"? It REALLY,
>> AWFULLY, sounds patronizing and "imperialistic" etc.
> Bill Woodcock had something else in mind.
> But you are right. They are second tier throught leaders. Countries where
> religion is rampant, people still know more about the diet of the gods than
> about evolution, militants are killed for trying to spread the education,
> castes and ethnic clasification still exist. Surely the so called West is no
> bed of roses, but don't mix things up.
> I can say I understand why people from these countries are frustrated. They
> come from the upper-middle classes. Their parents were not those disgusting
> untouchables that haul garbage or wash the dead bodies. And they discover
> with globalisation that they are on top of the World as they know it. Than
> they get into contact with other cultures. And the clash is not as rosy as
> expected. Knowing the tradition to worship a three-handed god is quite
> irrelevant for the rest of the world, while other impure and mundane facts
> seem so overrated.
> Sorry. I would want things to be different. But building an atomic bomb and
> killing thousands to protect the borders written by a drunk priest on a
> badly drawn map some centuries ago with no respect to the nations and
> ethnicities living on the actual land depicted by the map shows only one
> thing: the imperialism lives on in the people and the governments of the
> former colonies. People should help their brothers and sisters, all their
> neighbours understand that even if there is a Heaven nobody went there on no
> winged horse. It was a cute story a millenia ago. But today having doubts
> about the reality of a fairy tale shoud be the measure and not the perceived
> debts of a not so distant past.
> In my book, if a man can walk home at night safely and a woman needs to be
> covered and protected in order to walk the same path, than I say those
> people are savages. It does not matter if it's Mumbay, Rio, New York, Paris
> or Budapest.
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