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[liberationtech] DuckDuckGo and PRISM

Natanael natanael.l at
Tue Apr 29 06:28:47 PDT 2014

Regarding decentralized search, there's Yacy, at

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Nathan of Guardian
<nathan at> wrote:
> On 04/29/2014 05:22 AM, carlo von lynX wrote:
>> Talking about tools that we should not recommend, I
>> really don't get it why DuckDuckGo is being listed
>> everywhere as the number one reasonable alternative
>> to Google considering that they are based in the US
>> and subject to US legislation which enables the PRISM
>> program. It is just 100% naive to expect that for some
>> magic reason DuckDuckGo is exempted from that program.
> With Orweb and Orbot, we build in DDG as the default search engine.
> Since all access via Tor, it is deemed acceptable, and since they do no
> active logging, profiling, blocking of Tor, etc, DDG was chosen as our
> best default option. Also, their own DDG Android app/widget is
> open-source, and integrates with Orbot/Tor proxying directly.
>> I am sure the folks are great, just like the ones
>> working at Google..
> Aside from being geographically located in the US, they are about as
> good as it gets for a search company. Not as just humans, but as an
> organization, and the decisions they have made WRT to privacy. As we
> have seen, even if you are outside of the US, that does not make you
> safe from PRISM, or any style of legally or network-based surveillance,
> subpoena, etc.
>> and the t-shirts that were distributed
>> at the NYC #TA3M event are really nifty. But still, why
>> use a service that by law has to comply to surveillance
>> requirements if you can use services that are outside
>> US jurisdiction?
>> Somebody please explain.
> If there was a search engine company, service or project based outside
> of the US, that could match all the things DDG provides, I would
> definitely promote and use them. Does that exist?
> I would also like to explore more decentralized, distributed search options.
> +n
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