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[liberationtech]'s lack of plausible deniability (Was: TrueCrypt Alternatives?)

carlo von lynX lynX at
Tue Oct 7 02:08:08 PDT 2014

On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 09:16:42PM -0700, Greg wrote:
> I believe clicking on the email I gave him would take approximately the same amount of time as replying to the list, but I could be mistaken.

You joined a list where to a certain degree there is
a consensus that, given Patriot Act and similar legislation
in other parts of the world, proprietary software is
undistinguishable from snake oil or trojan horses.

Why do you even come here? You should be talking to the
sort of journalists who still haven't understood the
issues and would welcome your efforts.

How can you expect noticing some beginner's mistakes 
to be considered a major "disclosure" and deserving
special treatment according to hacker ethos standards
if most of us agree that it is completely irresponsible
to be using your technology in the first place?

I also wonder if this list should accept lobbyism and
whitewashing of proprietary efforts, be it intentional or
just honestly naive, or rather remove folks who promote
such thinking.

It's not a question of taste and certainly not a question
of liberty since the freedom to make proprietary security
software is actually an infringement of the freedoms of
the confused users who naively go out and pay for it.

At least the name of the app is honest.

Sorry, Yosem, for jumping on this thread and feeding it,
but as I elaborate in [1] "don't feed the troll" is
actually a dysfunctional strategy. If you want trolls,
lobbyists, science sceptics, loud minorities etc not to
achieve any gain from their activity you need to take
other steps than to ask people to stop replying to them.

Sorry, Greg, I don't know if you're strategic or honest,
so don't take this personally. Systemic problems need to
be addressed systemically and this thread is just a
manifestation of a systemic problem.


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