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crypto vrontis cryptovrontis at gmail.com
Sat Aug 8 14:19:42 PDT 2015


Hello hellekin and thanks for your questions

First of all, I didn't knew Mr Gerald Celeste till now.My bad maybe...
There isn't any relations between those two project neither I've been
involved on FairCoin.
I've seen that flag to and also, I have made the cyborg account during
the creation / testing period of the social network.

Automated Transactions and Arbitrary transactions are two different
features that exists on Qora, Automated transactions is the smart
contracts mechanism made by CIYAM developers, Arbitrary transactions
are data storing transactions.However, the acronyms AT are used to
describe Automated Transactions.

My personal opinions is not related to Qora and the whole project, so
please consider the below as personal opinions. My view, that I hope that
I'm keep following, it must be tied to/with my existence. I have to think
politically in order to keep a healthy mind. My orientation is mostly based
on the terms "common ownership and libertarianism".Do they fit? Yes, to me
yes!I don't want to baptize this with a term such as anarchist communism or
whatever, the roots of my beliefs tends to be closer to the term
Libertarian Socialism [0] however the root is the direct democracy. As I
said above a political thinking mind is a healthy mind. By giving the power
to the people via direct democracy the world will be driven directly from
the people and their needs.Is that good?Are the societies healthy enough to
drive the world or it will drive the humanity to a dead end? That's my only
concern at the moment.Do we have the ability, are we healthy enough to
drive the world? I am highly concerned and anxious on these questions.We
are driven and we've learned to be driven by an egocentric model, at least
this is how I understand / learned the world, a model that is tied to
money, bypassing politics.This is our age.And I don't believe that this is
good. We must work to protect the human kind from the human kind, that's
insane but that's true!Freedom is needed, common sense also has a highly
important role in this. Regarding Greece, what it needs the most it to have
people supporting people.And this is actually what is happening inside
Greece.The state has failed to do that (accidentally?). We need to build
and maintain the social cohesion no matter which tools can be used for
this, this is a need and technology must be used where it fits in order to
provide as many tools as possible to serve that need. That's actually the
role of technology, right? However, as I said, we must protect the human
kind.Turning everything to a "digital currency" is something that actually
I am afraid of. With the blockchain tech and the so called Internet of
Things I am afraid the time that my television will be automatically
switched off because I must go to sleep because tomorrow morning I got to
go to work.Should we aware of that?Is this dangerous?Definitely it is.And
to be honest, this is how I see things growing, and I'm sure "someone"
wants to achieve that, probably the "same" who is making those "financial
experiments" in Greece, by replacing the governance model with a "banking
model" that rules Greece and Greek citizens.The constitution has been
violated this way so, what's next? Recently a "food card" [2] has been
introduced in Greece to help the poor. Definitely, this is needed, help is
needed into our society.But with a card?Issued by a bank?Where this is
leading us? So, you might wondered why I've made that "cyborg" account for
tests.Do I endorse that, do I see machines taking over the world? Well no,
machines will not take over the world, but people will take over
machines!So we must be there and give that knowledge / power to the people
before someone "take" over machines suddenly, "switching off" humanity. So,
to conclude, I do not want to place my self on theories and higher level of
(mis)understandings, instead of this, I am trying to realize where am I,
what is going on, what happens to me, what happens next to me and what
happens beside of me.And then I got to move, to motivate, to speak and to
work for what I believe. Many thanks and sorry for abusing this section
with my personal opinions.

Vrontis

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

[2] http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/news/article/national-bank-of-greece-signs-deal-for-cards-to-buy-food

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On 08/07/2015 11:50 PM, crypto vrontis wrote:
>* Hello
*> >* I'm a software developer from Greece and I am writing to inform you
*>* about a project that has progress made by a small team of developers
*>* including me.Is a digital currency named Qora.
*
>* The achievements that the Qora platform has introduced the last months
*>* on the cryptocurrencies scene is by far the most innovative in the
*>* tech world.
*>
Hello Crypto Vrontis, you seem to like wild claims, like your confessed
inspiration Gerald Celente.  Last July 25th you said[0]:

"We are living in a world which also happens to be a digital world.
Besides the fact that, you know everyone is working with their own
mobile, everyone post their own status or photo on instagram or on
Facebook. We are a generation that has become a more tech friendly. And
we do admire technology, we do know what technology will give us. It
will give us a comfortable life, it will give us profit, it will give us
everything. We all know what technology is."

As you happen to be in Greece, where the Faircoin summit is going on in
Crete[5], I was wondering about the relations between the two projects
and found three interesting points that I'd like you to clarify: I saw
an anarcho-capitalist (sic) flag on your social network[1], which is not
uncommon in the crypto-currency world; another account[2] seems to
emphasize transhumanist belief (H+); finally, you praise proof-of-stake
and polling with weighted voting[0], a strategy also chosen by Bitshare,
which Faircoin is working on eliminating to prevent the formation of
oligarchy in their network[3].

How would you define your political orientation, and how do you envision
the role of Qora in the context of Greece? Do you believe in H+
principles? What's your understanding of the relation between economics
and politics?

Another point I'm concerned with: AT seems to be an acronym for
"Automated Transactions", but I've seen it expanded as "Arbitrary
Transactions"[4]: I believe it's a typo, as using a single acronym for
two meanings in the same context would simply lead to confusion.

Thank you for your attention,

==
hk

[0]: https://beyondbitcoin.org/bonus-hangout-qora-vrontis-ciyam/
[1]: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blog.html?blogname=tuckfheman.com
[2]: http://qora.co.in:9090/index/blog.html?blogname=cyborg
[3]: https://fair-coin.org/faircoin2.html
[4]:https://medium.com/qora-world/overview-of-qora-smart-contracts-and-decen
tralized-web-3987dc28e064
[5]: https://fair.coop/summer-camp-on/
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