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[liberationtech] secure voice options for china?

Brian Behlendorf brian at
Thu Feb 12 14:57:35 PST 2015

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, The Doctor wrote:
> On 02/12/2015 01:06 PM, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>> And this is why even people who care about their privacy still use
>> Skype.
> Bad actors go to extraordinary, stupid lengths to restrict access and
> put surveillance measures in place.  Hours rivalling that of Silicon
> Valley startups are spent fine tuning each and every last measure to
> make sure that almost nothing sneaks past.  There is no magick wand
> that the other side of the game can wave to bypass them like a gentle
> breeze.  Circumvention and counter-net.surveillance are hard, and if
> the other side doesn't bring its A game to match, it's just not going
> to happen.  We may as well roll over and show our bellies.

Exactly.  Which is why no one should feel satisfied with the answer that 
was given.


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