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[liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

Al Billings albill at
Thu Jan 15 10:45:16 PST 2015

Insisting that we both can and cannot (at the same time) trust people like Moxie simply because they live in the USA and the NSA exists is stupid. I don’t see a suggestion of what jurisdiction the author thinks people can live within where there won’t be the same issues. From there, the list of demands gets rather high and the list of solutions non-existent. 

I’m well aware of the Snowden revelations. I’m also well aware that people like Moxie are doing good work to try to counter some of the NSA grabs of Internet data. The post read like crazy person FUD.

Which country should people be in where the government isn’t going to try to potentially legally compel them to do things or spy on their communications? Where is your utopia of freedom?

> On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:30 AM, hellekin <hellekin at> wrote:
> Signed PGP part
> On 01/15/2015 02:35 PM, Al Billings wrote:
> > Pull that tinfoil hat a little tighter.
> >
> *** Aren't the Snowden leaks enough?  What else do you need really?
> Then go visit the section on Malware.
> Deflecting legitimate criticism with such a tongue-in-cheek comment is
> not going to change the fact that the USA have been led by tricksters
> doing whatever in their power to confuse their and other countries
> citizens in order to serve the short term and strategic interests of the
> military industrial complex, with impunity and a complete lack of touch
> with reality and ethics.
> If by now this is not clear to you, you're delusional or a part of that
> system.  You can certainly criticize lynX's hard position if you like,
> but dismissing its criticism as lunatic is entirely on you.  Frankly,
> having a security person from Mozilla do this is a bit staggering.

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