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[liberationtech] data manipulation

carlo von lynX lynX at
Tue Nov 10 02:23:39 PST 2015

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:13:43AM -0800, coderman wrote:
> On 11/9/15, Elias Groll <eliasgroll at> wrote:
> > ... I've been reporting on warnings issued by DNI Clapper and NSA Director
> > Rogers on the threat posed by data manipulation and integrity attacks.
> > These statements have been vague in nature and lacking specifics.
> generally, manipulating data is done for any of the following reasons, and more! is an
interesting story on the subject.. JTRIG managed to steer public
opinion in argentina concerning falklands, avoiding another crisis
as in 1982... using automated manipulation of opinions of individuals,
so it is quite different from regular "media manipulation" which was
available in 1982 as well and couldn't have worked.

this may sound like a cool feat to avoid a war, but consider also
that the uk managed to impede an entire population from expressing
their democratic will.

in other words, these methods based on JTRIG and KARMA POLICE
dismantle democracy at its foundation - the ability to form a
political opinion and to make government act accordingly. this is
what the secrecy of correspondence was supposed to protect us from,
but the authors of our respective constitutions didn't foresee
that we would start communicating digitally and make it laughably
easy for attackers to manipulate us completely.

for as long as we do not produce a surveillance-resistant social
networking and communication platform, we are not in a state of
democracy. anywhere in the world. i cannot imagine any higher
political priority than to fix the internet and create a distributed
social network to replace facebook and the like.

what do you think?

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