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[liberationtech] Any project missing on the updated map of a "GNU Internet" ?

carlo von lynX lynX at
Mon Oct 5 06:50:56 PDT 2015

On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 11:44:35PM +0200, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote:
> Hi Carlo,
> NixOS is available since years. I use it since 2009 everywhere.

Moved it to the green box of reliable choices.
(OT) Is it viable to have all code recompiled from source?
     How does it feel compared to Gentoo? (in case you tried that)
> Maybe you could add OMEMO (Conversations implements it), and Axolotl.

I've added Axolotl although it is a frequent feature of the e2e
circuit layer. Pond, GNUnet and probably also Maidsafe have
their own DH ratchet implementations.

OMEMO would go into the red box with XMPP. Federation technology
cannot by design provide a long-term contribution to the new
Internet. Find some argumentation on
and further reasons to deprecate XMPP on
OMEMO is riding a dead horse. There's a reason why a similar XEP
called ESessions didn't get very far either. Just recently I read
an article on how bad libpurple is.. but the problem isn't just the 
code. It's the protocol. There is no way of implementing XMPP clients
and servers that do not suck. I find it funny that people always
blame it on the implementations and think by rewriting them they can
fix a whole culture of bad choices behind them. All they get is yet
another XMPP something that sucks.

> What about things from WhisperSystems? And SMSSecure.

I can put TextSecure into the yellow box with PGP and OTR... stop
gap tools that operate over metadata unsafe infrastructure.

Understand that the GNU Internet is also about solving the 
metadata problem in a pervasive way - no exceptions for the 
lazy, metadata protection by default.

Whereas for Redphone/Signal, just like Telegram only the UI seems
to be freely available. Of course UIs and telephony implementations
are useful, but the list of tools with unsafe backends (anything
we can't compile and run ourselves is unsafe) is long and would 
require a pretty large box at the top of the map... Then again, I
can't think of that many openly published e2e client apps after all,
so a yellow box is appropriate.

> Next to IPFS there could be "".

Oh wow, looks interesting!

> As for libre hardware, maybe the Loongson-based computers are worth mentioning.

I just threw in there as a meta index for hardware.
Can't also get competent in that area myself in this lifetime.  :)

> Regards and thank you for the work!

Thanks for the feedback!

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