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[liberationtech] Hey, does the NSA own Germany? Because that would be bad.

Alberto Cammozzo ac+lists at
Thu Sep 17 09:14:03 PDT 2015

Thank you Kate,
this is an important resource for UE citizens.
A quite extensive and documented coverage on the NSA-BND issue has 
appeared in English on the Electrospaces blog following the hearings.
You may be interested in connecting with them and link their articles.




On 17/09/2015 03:59, Kate Krauss wrote:
> Hi Liberation Tech,
> I visited a German hacker conference recently, and it gradually became 
> clear to me in talking to privacy advocates that the NSA has a very 
> unhealthy relationship with German intelligence.
>> ​It seems that the NSA is colluding with German intelligence agencies 
> (the BND and others) to spy on German politicians, journalists, and 
> citizens.
> An inquiry committee of the German Parliament is in the midst of a 
> major investigation to
> ​ get to the bottom of this​
> . It’s also trying to learn whether the US is planning illegal drone 
> strikes
> ​from German soil. And tapping the Internet directly in Munich to send 
> data about Germans directly to the NSA.
> There are even allegations that German intelligence agencies are 
> exchanging citizens’ personal data for expensive surveillance 
> equipment paid for by the NSA
> ​. And the roof of the US embassy in Berlin seems to be an NSA 
> listening post (I guess that's not unusual). Then there's the undersea 
> cable.
> The Germans working on this investigation in Parliament are frustrated 
> that news about it isn’t really reaching the international community.  ​
> Spy agencies for the UK, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia may also 
> be involved (FVEY). But the NSA is by far the best funded and most 
> powerful among them—Edward Snowden revealed that the US intelligence 
> budget was $52 billion in 2013.
> The central issue, however, is whether Germany, in bowing to the 
> requests of the NSA, could be gradually turning over its independence 
> to the United States. This is an outrageous claim—but if you let a 
> foreign government spy on your head of government, Chancellor Merkel, 
> and members of
> ​your ​
> Parliament, and you intimidate German journalists who try to cover the 
> story (two were recently investigated for treason)—at what point does 
> that cross a bright line? And if the US has co-opted Germany, one of 
> the most powerful countries in Europe—which other less powerful 
> countries does it own, right now, in secret?
> A tiny group of interested Germans and Americans has launched a web 
> site ( and a
> ​Twitter account (@GermanInq) to track this investigation and share 
> information about it with English-speaking journalists, activists, and 
> technologists.
> Please read the blog post and news reports on the web site, and follow 
> us on Twitter. The next hearings of this inquiry committee will be 
> held in Berlin on September 2
> ​4, so you have a few days to get up to speed. Berlin is six hours 
> ahead of New York. The hashtag for the inquiry is #GermanInq.
> Thanks,
> Kate Krauss
> ​for
> @GermanInq​


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