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[liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

Yosem Companys companys at stanford.edu
Sun Feb 19 10:12:29 PST 2017


Yep, that's the sad truth.

Yosem

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Steven Clift <clift at e-democracy.org> wrote:
> Quickly now ... I've been building an open source-based, public
> creative commons structured, non-profit, members-supported
> citizens-based network for twenty-years.
>
> Here is the sad truth:
>
> 1. The general public doesn't care ... enough anyway, they want online
> spaces that work for them - the more familiar the better
> 2. People who support this model in theory don't donate, foundations
> mostly just give freedom lip service online or fund elites
> 3. The technologists who could build out the open source tool we use don't help
> 4. The resistance by most people to signing up for anything new makes
> it almost impossible to serve new communities
> 5. The economic and social diversity of people we can reach via
> Facebook is far more inclusive than on our own platform
> 6. We do generate donations from our neighborhood participants, and
> much less so from our forums that are about political city and
> state-wide politics, but all the venture money in NextDoor and their
> gated community model is finally eroding our public model where we've
> been strongest (I'll take an "open" Facebook Group any day over the
> NextDoor connect all the wealthier homeowners model any day!)
>
> So, if you value the power people get in democracy from connecting
> with each other for two-way conversations, you need to reach them
> where they are.
>
> When it comes to Facebook, I've concluded that shaping it for good,
> for more local online group formation in public life (my big passion),
> will generate more democratic value than ignoring it.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
> Steven Clift  -  Executive Director, E-Democracy.org
>    clift at e-democracy.org  -  +1 612 234 7072
>    @democracy  -  http://linkedin.com/in/netclift
>    http://1radionews.com - My radio app
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> I know. I agree.
>>
>> I have never been thrilled with Steven's selection of Facebook for
>> pro-democracy groups.
>>
>> To protect your privacy and security, stay off Facebook.
>>
>> But, to build movements, create an account on Facebook (or Twitter or any
>> other dominant centralized social network) and try to get as many people to
>> join.
>>
>> One vision we had on Diaspora was to create a HootSuite like app that would
>> integrate all of your social networking sites on one dashboard and enable
>> you to decide how public you wanted to be. You wanted to connect with a
>> friend? You could do it directly from your own server to your friend's own
>> server without an intermediary. You wanted to advertise something more
>> broadly on Facebook or Twitter? You could do that too. Unfortunately,
>> Diaspora never moved away from its pod focus to build a better HootSuite.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Cristina [efecto99] <efecto99 at riseup.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17/02/17 17:24, Thomas Delrue wrote:
>>>
>>> On February 17, 2017 1:32:46 PM EST, Steven Clift <clift at e-democracy.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I invite everyone to read and comment on Mark Zuckerberg's important
>>> "Building Global Community" letter:
>>>
>>>      https://www.facebook.com/groups/buildingglobalcommunity
>>>
>>> This is a special Facebook Group I've created to connect lots of
>>> disparate communities for a unified conversation that I will share
>>> with my contacts at Facebook.
>>>
>>> You'll find a link to his letter and posts organized by the five key
>>> questions Mark asks and posts to share media reports and more:
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/buildingglobalcommunity/permalink/502366400151315/
>>>
>>> Or jump straight to his letter: http://po.st/zuckglobal
>>>
>>> Also, while I don't have my first tele meeting with a foundation on
>>> this until next week, now seems like a good time to share
>>> E-Democracy's draft proposal for Local Civic Facebook Groups:
>>> http://po.st/civicfacebookgroupsgoogledoc
>>>
>>> Zuckerberg's letter highlights the absolutely vital role of "engaged
>>> leaders" creating "meaningful groups." E-Democracy's magic mix is
>>> supporting YOU - those leaders - in local communities working to
>>> create local community and civic life Facebook Groups that foster
>>> inclusive and supportive local online communities that foster civic
>>> engagement and informed communities. So, if you want to add your city
>>> to the list of the 22 cities with volunteer interest, email me -
>>> clift at e-democracy.org - with "Civic Facebook Groups" in the subject
>>> line. We drafted most of this proposal in December, so we are ecstatic
>>> that Facebook's next mission is so well aligned with our scrappy work.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steven Clift
>>> E-Democracy.org
>>>
>>> P.S. You can jump in deeper now (we are just getting started):
>>>
>>> "Facebook guy tells world it needs to use more Facebook or face bad
>>> times",  is that roughly the right summary of his 'insights' or am I way
>>> off?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thomas
>>> (Sent from my mobile device,  please forgive brevity or typos.)
>>>
>>> It seems as a joke if wouldn't be posted HERE, on *Liberation tech*
>>> mailing list: since when Facebook serves to the liberation of people!? I
>>> must be reading a lot of fake news about Facebook the last....5 years? (and
>>> i think I'm getting short).
>>>
>>> So funny...
>>>
>>> My 1st impulse to answer this email was to simply put:
>>>
>>> One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
>>> One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
>>> In the Land of Mordor   Surveillance where the Shadows lie.
>>>
>>> 99
>>>
>>>
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