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[liberationtech] How to improve representative democracy?

Peter Lindener lindener.peter at gmail.com
Thu Jan 5 14:45:30 PST 2017


Doug asked : "*What if everybody voted on everything?*"

    Having worked on the more formal Information / Game theory based
mathematics underneath the current dis function and potential reform of our
social decision system for the last 16  years...   there are good answers..
  I just posted my proposal
<https://www.proposalprocon.com/request/9jcU27kS5ctSBag0KYYrRqOKp4xgSzA4hBQPY3Nboy45WoCr7c>
for Information
Theoretic Democracy as requested..

  To clarify: if such a system were put in place, the automated voting
argent running as an Ap on your mobile phone would be doing just that...
"vote on everything"...
... one can always proxy, if one would prefer,   I'm sure most will, but
doing so, is still on an issue by issue bases...   so one always has
control of ones representation...  and you can change it any time you would
like..   not hard, just a small mater of some programming...
... but you might ask about security.... that will come soon enough... as
you can now seem ...it better.... or we are all in trouble...   then again
it seems we already are!

    -Peter

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Doug Schuler <
douglas at publicsphereproject.org> wrote:

> I can't claim that I have the answer (because I don't!) but I'm in favor
> of civil society launching a bottom-up "grand challenge" to develop what
> we'd like to see. ("Invent the future") Ultimately it should reach across
> various boundaries, including national ones. I presented a case for it in
> my article for ACM Interactions, Creating the World Citizen Parliament
> <http://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/may-june-2013/creating-the-world-citizen-parliament>,
> and discussed ideas as to how to get it off the ground.
>
> Please note that I'm not calling for a "parliament" that is exactly
> modeled on existing parliaments! I would expect that various bottom up
> efforts would result in a type of *kluge* —  much belittled by computer
> scientists but exemplified by real-world examples of, say, managing the
> commons.
>
> I may be a minority voice here but I can't see any reasonable democracy
> functioning without aware and active citizens (which is what I call civic
> intelligence). We are seeing in the U.S. and other places the results of
> having too many disengaged and uninformed people. And this of course does
> not constitute an "easy fix."
>
> The links you mention on vice.com are indeed problematic — to say the
> least: "What if everybody voted on everything?", for example.
>
> Thanks!
>
> — Doug
>
> On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:09 AM, mkqyp-libtech at usa.net wrote:
>
>
> According to public choice theory, there are some inherent flaws with
> representative democracy, such as the corrupting influence of special
> interests.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_choice#Special_interests
>
> There are a lot of problematic proposals for how to improve democracy, like
> this:
> http://motherboard.vice.com/en_au/read/democracy-by-app
>
> If it were politically easy to alter our system of government, what would
> be
> your recommended alternative?  Please enter ideas in this proposal tracker:
> https://www.proposalprocon.com/request/9jcU27kS5ctSBag0KYYrRqOKp4xgSz
> A4hBQPY3Nboy45WoCr7c
>
> --Chad Brower
>
>
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> Douglas Schuler
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>
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>
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> Creating the World Citizen Parliament
> <http://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/may-june-2013/creating-the-world-citizen-parliament>
>
> Liberating Voices!  A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (
> Project <http://www.publicsphereproject.org/patterns/lv> / Book
> <http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=11601>)
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> Three patterns:
>    Political Settings
> <http://www.publicsphereproject.org/content/political-settings>
>    Social Responsibility
> <http://www.publicsphereproject.org/content/social-responsibility>
>    Matrifocal Orientation
> <http://www.publicsphereproject.org/content/matrifocal-orientation>
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