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[liberationtech] Fwd: [WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages]

Thomas Delrue thomas at
Sat Jan 14 10:41:42 PST 2017

On 01/14/2017 08:17 AM, FL wrote:
> I'm not sure that every American company, by law, must implement a backdoor, as you imply. The last time I checked, iMessage was a very secure platform with no known vulnerabilities — which in fact has made Apple struggle with US agencies more than a few times.

is no longer in effect? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing?

>> On 14-01-2017, at 10:02, carlo von lynX <lynX at> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 07:26:29PM -0500, Sebastian Benthall wrote:
>> I've also read
>> and
>> and to me it seems like all of the articles are
>> technically describing the same procedure.
>> The difference is only in the framing.
>> For Facebook it is a necessity that people not be
>> bothered by key changes, for anyone in the libtech
>> business it is an alarming signal that MITM is
>> technicaly possible by default and users must be
>> specifically aware of the issue to avoid it.
>> But why is anyone even expecting any true privacy
>> from an American proprietary product? Have the
>> PRISM and MUSCULAR programs suddenly been discontinued?
>> Has Freedom Act amended NSLs also for non-Americans?
>> How could Facebook afford not to pump everything they
>> can get into XKEYSCORE as before? Why did the European
>> Supreme Court rule that the US is not a safe harbor
>> for EU citizen data? Did I miss any recent developments?
>> Is it the general strategy to have people debate whether
>> there is a backdoor when by law Whatsapp MUST have some
>> backdoor?

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