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[liberationtech] Price of the #MuslimBan

Jay Cafasso jay.cafasso at
Tue Jan 31 12:20:08 PST 2017

I am reading all the posts and trying to understand why most are going off
topic for what this listserv was meant for?

I am also peaked on how many of you who are posting do not understand the
law and/or seem very biased politically. Since you have strayed off topic,
I have to wonder where everyone has been with last five presidents who have
done the same thing with EO? Yes there could have been better execution of
the Trumps EO and yes I believe we made a big mistake after 911 when we
created DHS. However as soon as Secretary Kelly was notified about the
issues he immediately corrected and clarified the order.

While folk believe this is a "Muslim ban". I do not believe such since a
couple of the largest Muslim countries were not part of the ban. Notably
Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. I would like someone to explain to me why any
administration cannot, based on national security revoke either temporarily
or permanently a Visa or Green Card? Forget morally as an answer. While
noble it's a very naive position and belief.

So why are you protesting? And do you have a double standard in your belief
since 90% of you did not even raise the question when the last
administration did the same?

So what are you really protesting?


On Jan 30, 2017 11:51, "Rich Kulawiec" <rsk at> wrote:

> > I've tried to avoid commenting too much on Trump's election to avoid
> > demonizing Republicans and people in my network who support him.
> And that's fine, and noble, and nice of you.  But understand very,
> VERY clearly: they will not hesitate to do that to you.
> If you're not a (a) white (b) Christian (c) American citizen then you're
> going to be targeted.  It's not a question of "if", only of "when".
> (And some people who are all three will be targeted anyway: women,
> LBGTQ, journalists, academics, scientists come to mind immediately.)
>         When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag
>         and carrying a cross.
>                 --- Sinclair Lewis
> This current episode is just a test to see what kind of reaction ensues.
> It's a probe for weaknesses.  It has NOTHING to do with stopping terrorism:
> in fact, it's designed to increase the probability of attacks -- because
> that will make subsequent steps much easier.  (Note the careful exemption
> of majority-Muslim countries in which Trump owns hotels/resorts.)
> ---rsk
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