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[liberationtech] Price of the #MuslimBan

Yosem Companys companys at stanford.edu
Tue Jan 31 13:28:38 PST 2017


Jay makes a good point. The list is going a bit off topic on this subject,
as the list's purpose is to discuss how technology can be used to promote
public goods.

Discussing the so-called #MuslimBan is OK, so long as there is a
technological component to it. For example, how can we design technologies
to oppose the #MuslimBan or to enable minorities who feel threatened by
President Trump to protect themselves and remain engaged in the political
process?

Best,
Yosem
(One of the moderators)

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Jay Cafasso <jay.cafasso at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am reading all the posts and trying to understand why most are going off
> topic for what this listserv was meant for?
>
> I am also peaked on how many of you who are posting do not understand the
> law and/or seem very biased politically. Since you have strayed off topic,
> I have to wonder where everyone has been with last five presidents who have
> done the same thing with EO? Yes there could have been better execution of
> the Trumps EO and yes I believe we made a big mistake after 911 when we
> created DHS. However as soon as Secretary Kelly was notified about the
> issues he immediately corrected and clarified the order.
>
> While folk believe this is a "Muslim ban". I do not believe such since a
> couple of the largest Muslim countries were not part of the ban. Notably
> Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. I would like someone to explain to me why any
> administration cannot, based on national security revoke either temporarily
> or permanently a Visa or Green Card? Forget morally as an answer. While
> noble it's a very naive position and belief.
>
> So why are you protesting? And do you have a double standard in your
> belief since 90% of you did not even raise the question when the last
> administration did the same?
>
> So what are you really protesting?
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2017 11:51, "Rich Kulawiec" <rsk at gsp.org> wrote:
>
>> > I've tried to avoid commenting too much on Trump's election to avoid
>> > demonizing Republicans and people in my network who support him.
>>
>> And that's fine, and noble, and nice of you.  But understand very,
>> VERY clearly: they will not hesitate to do that to you.
>>
>> If you're not a (a) white (b) Christian (c) American citizen then you're
>> going to be targeted.  It's not a question of "if", only of "when".
>> (And some people who are all three will be targeted anyway: women,
>> LBGTQ, journalists, academics, scientists come to mind immediately.)
>>
>>         When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag
>>         and carrying a cross.
>>                 --- Sinclair Lewis
>>
>> This current episode is just a test to see what kind of reaction ensues.
>> It's a probe for weaknesses.  It has NOTHING to do with stopping
>> terrorism:
>> in fact, it's designed to increase the probability of attacks -- because
>> that will make subsequent steps much easier.  (Note the careful exemption
>> of majority-Muslim countries in which Trump owns hotels/resorts.)
>>
>> ---rsk
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