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[liberationtech] The rigging of voting machines?

Joseph Lorenzo Hall joe at
Wed Jul 18 20:58:40 PDT 2018

I'm quoted in the Zetter article, did my PhD at Berkeley hacking voting
machines, have been working on this for fifteen years and this thread is
already ridiculous after just two posts.

Please take the opportunity to do your homework before thinking any of what
you've written below is true.

I know it sounds snarky for me to respond like I'm about to but Matt Blaze
summed it up well today with this:

"I should have realized that our decades of focused experience working on
this exact problem would be no match for your gut reaction after reading
about it on the Internet. Why didn't you tell us sooner?"

I'm usually not this pointy, so I'll apologize now. Best wishes, Joe

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 21:36 Douglas Lucas <dal at> wrote:

> A crucial topic, thanks for posting Yosem. There's no reason to expect
> one's vote in the United States counts, given our corporate,
> proprietary, closed-source computerized voting. The standard should be
> paper ballots handcounted in public, as in Germany
> and Netherlands
> One would expect the transparency, free/open source software movement
> nonprofits to be all over this topic, but it's typically crickets, I
> guess because it's seen as loony bin third rail stuff. Good books to
> read on the subject -- which include recommendations for action --
> include Bev Harris' and Jonathan D. Simon's
> (the books basically have the same titles as the
> websites).
> Douglas
> On 07/18/18 13:58, Yosem Companys wrote:
> > Seems like an issue that goes to the heart of democracy and its
> > survival in the 21st century:
> >
> >
> >
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