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[liberationtech] The rigging of voting machines?

Yosem Companys ycompanys at gmail.com
Wed Jul 18 21:24:38 PDT 2018


Joe,

No offense taken. But as an expert on this subject, you should suggest some
resources that list subscribers should read so they may be able to sift
through the media sensationalism.

We're all experts at certain things and amateurs at others. Unfortunately,
we all don't have time to do extensive research on every topic that affects
our world. That's why we have intellectual communities of experts to
enlighten us.

My understanding from having read a number of studies on voting machines is
that they're closed source, outdated, and riddled with vulnerabilities. If
that is true, then wouldn't a world that decided to use only voting
machines increase the likelihood of malicious hacking influencing voter
outcomes? I don't see how such a scenario doesn't jeopardize fair elections.

I'm not saying that voting machines are better or worse than pen and paper
or punch ballots. God knows that there was a time in this country when
there were no secret ballots and political henchmen would beat you up for
not voting "appropriately." Such scenarios also jeopardized fair elections
and were outlawed thanks to the progressive movement.

Thanks,
Yosem

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe at cdt.org> wrote:

> I'm quoted in the Zetter article, did my PhD at Berkeley hacking voting
> machines, have been working on this for fifteen years and this thread is
> already ridiculous after just two posts.
>
> Please take the opportunity to do your homework before thinking any of
> what you've written below is true.
>
> I know it sounds snarky for me to respond like I'm about to but Matt Blaze
> summed it up well today with this:
>
> https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1019671716119896064?s=21
>
> "I should have realized that our decades of focused experience working on
> this exact problem would be no match for your gut reaction after reading
> about it on the Internet. Why didn't you tell us sooner?"
>
> I'm usually not this pointy, so I'll apologize now. Best wishes, Joe
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 21:36 Douglas Lucas <dal at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> A crucial topic, thanks for posting Yosem. There's no reason to expect
>> one's vote in the United States counts, given our corporate,
>> proprietary, closed-source computerized voting. The standard should be
>> paper ballots handcounted in public, as in Germany
>> https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-volunteers-organize-
>> the-voting-and-count-the-ballots/a-40562388
>> and Netherlands
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/
>> netherlands-hacking-concerns-hand-count-ballots.html
>>
>> One would expect the transparency, free/open source software movement
>> nonprofits to be all over this topic, but it's typically crickets, I
>> guess because it's seen as loony bin third rail stuff. Good books to
>> read on the subject -- which include recommendations for action --
>> include Bev Harris' BlackBoxVoting.org and Jonathan D. Simon's
>> codered2014.com/ (the books basically have the same titles as the
>> websites).
>>
>> Douglas
>>
>> On 07/18/18 13:58, Yosem Companys wrote:
>> > Seems like an issue that goes to the heart of democracy and its
>> > survival in the 21st century:
>> >
>> > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mb4ezy/top-
>> voting-machine-vendor-admits-it-installed-remote-access-
>> software-on-systems-sold-to-states
>> >
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