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[liberationtech] The rigging of voting machines?

Joseph Lorenzo Hall joe at cdt.org
Thu Jul 19 03:04:41 PDT 2018


That is a great point and I'll send a short review with links later today.
Take care, Joe

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 00:25 Yosem Companys <ycompanys at gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> No offense taken. But as an expert on this subject, you should suggest
> some resources that list subscribers should read so they may be able to
> sift through the media sensationalism.
>
> We're all experts at certain things and amateurs at others. Unfortunately,
> we all don't have time to do extensive research on every topic that affects
> our world. That's why we have intellectual communities of experts to
> enlighten us.
>
> My understanding from having read a number of studies on voting machines
> is that they're closed source, outdated, and riddled with vulnerabilities.
> If that is true, then wouldn't a world that decided to use only voting
> machines increase the likelihood of malicious hacking influencing voter
> outcomes? I don't see how such a scenario doesn't jeopardize fair elections.
>
> I'm not saying that voting machines are better or worse than pen and paper
> or punch ballots. God knows that there was a time in this country when
> there were no secret ballots and political henchmen would beat you up for
> not voting "appropriately." Such scenarios also jeopardized fair elections
> and were outlawed thanks to the progressive movement.
>
> Thanks,
> Yosem
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe at cdt.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm quoted in the Zetter article, did my PhD at Berkeley hacking voting
>> machines, have been working on this for fifteen years and this thread is
>> already ridiculous after just two posts.
>>
>> Please take the opportunity to do your homework before thinking any of
>> what you've written below is true.
>>
>> I know it sounds snarky for me to respond like I'm about to but Matt
>> Blaze summed it up well today with this:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1019671716119896064?s=21
>>
>> "I should have realized that our decades of focused experience working on
>> this exact problem would be no match for your gut reaction after reading
>> about it on the Internet. Why didn't you tell us sooner?"
>>
>> I'm usually not this pointy, so I'll apologize now. Best wishes, Joe
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 21:36 Douglas Lucas <dal at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A crucial topic, thanks for posting Yosem. There's no reason to expect
>>> one's vote in the United States counts, given our corporate,
>>> proprietary, closed-source computerized voting. The standard should be
>>> paper ballots handcounted in public, as in Germany
>>>
>>> https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-volunteers-organize-the-voting-and-count-the-ballots/a-40562388
>>> and Netherlands
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/netherlands-hacking-concerns-hand-count-ballots.html
>>>
>>> One would expect the transparency, free/open source software movement
>>> nonprofits to be all over this topic, but it's typically crickets, I
>>> guess because it's seen as loony bin third rail stuff. Good books to
>>> read on the subject -- which include recommendations for action --
>>> include Bev Harris' BlackBoxVoting.org and Jonathan D. Simon's
>>> codered2014.com/ (the books basically have the same titles as the
>>> websites).
>>>
>>> Douglas
>>>
>>> On 07/18/18 13:58, Yosem Companys wrote:
>>> > Seems like an issue that goes to the heart of democracy and its
>>> > survival in the 21st century:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mb4ezy/top-voting-machine-vendor-admits-it-installed-remote-access-software-on-systems-sold-to-states
>>> >
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