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[liberationtech] The rigging of voting machines?

Sky (Jim Schuyler) sky at red7.com
Thu Jul 19 11:27:14 PDT 2018


Joseph would you be sure to point us at some informed material on this issue? I'd really like to read about it, having been out of touch with this exact issue for a long time.

In the Zetter article I see an admission of something that was done up until 2007, which many of us had read at the time and thought "WFT?" So the article seems to be writing about a situation more than 10 years ago, as if it were commonplace today in 2018, although of course it doesn't explicitly say that.

Our systems in San Francisco are paper mark-sense ballots that are scanned, but there is paper at the start of the process, which is preserved as an audit mechanism. After that the process is opaque to us.

Increased attention to using only the necessary software on the voting machines and airgapping I thought was de-rigeur after the admissions of the early 2000s. I would love to be able to respond in an informed way when my friends ask me about this question.

—"Sky"

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> On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe at cdt.org <mailto:joe at cdt.org>> wrote:
> 
> I'm quoted in the Zetter article, did my PhD at Berkeley hacking voting machines, have been working on this for fifteen years and this thread is already ridiculous after just two posts.
> 
> Please take the opportunity to do your homework before thinking any of what you've written below is true.
> 
> I know it sounds snarky for me to respond like I'm about to but Matt Blaze summed it up well today with this:
> 
> https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1019671716119896064?s=21 <https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1019671716119896064?s=21>
> "I should have realized that our decades of focused experience working on this exact problem would be no match for your gut reaction after reading about it on the Internet. Why didn't you tell us sooner?"
> 
> I'm usually not this pointy, so I'll apologize now. Best wishes, Joe
> 
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 21:36 Douglas Lucas <dal at riseup.net <mailto:dal at riseup.net>> wrote:
> A crucial topic, thanks for posting Yosem. There's no reason to expect
> one's vote in the United States counts, given our corporate,
> proprietary, closed-source computerized voting. The standard should be
> paper ballots handcounted in public, as in Germany
> https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-volunteers-organize-the-voting-and-count-the-ballots/a-40562388 <https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-volunteers-organize-the-voting-and-count-the-ballots/a-40562388>
> and Netherlands
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/netherlands-hacking-concerns-hand-count-ballots.html <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/netherlands-hacking-concerns-hand-count-ballots.html>
> 
> One would expect the transparency, free/open source software movement
> nonprofits to be all over this topic, but it's typically crickets, I
> guess because it's seen as loony bin third rail stuff. Good books to
> read on the subject -- which include recommendations for action --
> include Bev Harris' BlackBoxVoting.org <http://blackboxvoting.org/> and Jonathan D. Simon's
> codered2014.com/ <http://codered2014.com/> (the books basically have the same titles as the websites).
> 
> Douglas
> 
> On 07/18/18 13:58, Yosem Companys wrote:
> > Seems like an issue that goes to the heart of democracy and its
> > survival in the 21st century:
> > 
> > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mb4ezy/top-voting-machine-vendor-admits-it-installed-remote-access-software-on-systems-sold-to-states <https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mb4ezy/top-voting-machine-vendor-admits-it-installed-remote-access-software-on-systems-sold-to-states>
> > 
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