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[protege-discussion] An Ontology Model For any Organization

Mehdi Amani mehdi_amani at
Wed Apr 1 14:01:11 PDT 2009

Dear Leslie,
Let me first Thank you for such a good answer. I will be more than happy if you can help me out. from the couple of points that you have just mentioned it shows you have quite an expereice. 
OK! Let me define my problem I have been programming for a long long time. I am 48 years old I have my PhD in AI & I think I have been around the computers for more than 32 years.
What I am trying to do is to acheive a relatively  simple " Orgonizational Knowledge " by the use of Divide & Conqure. I have developed a real fast & generic search engine that is capable of semantically deviding the search output into clusters of really close enough meaning of documents.
Now Assume instead of having emolpyee to employee supervision relation, I will have a Departmental Organizational Chart & all you just said could be applied to these departments. Now Imagine that I have a Heirarchical Repository structure for departements as well. I have built up a lot of other tools as well to help me separate conflicting Issues that might happen inside a search engine when it is trying to semantically group the result. An example would be something like an "ATOM", does it belong to Chemistery, Physics or Even LISP programming language?
Other problems that could be solved this way is exactly the points you had.
Now let me ask you a question "What is exactly different from One Organization to Another?" except thier Buisness or "GOAL" or "VISION" & the Methods they acheive them.
All orgs do have  a set of Depts, Divisions ... All Orgs Have Employess & thier relations, All Orgs do have Human resources, Payments, Insurance & .... and ofcourse a BPMS & so on.
What I was wondering is that has anyone looked at an organization from such a point of view so once done with some Refinement I could have an ontology for a university to a lets say that newspaper example of protege?
I am not looking for a way out, But I do not want to start from scratch anytime I want to define an Organization!!!!! Lets say 30% of the modelling the ones you & I said alltoghter is done?
Does this seem to be asking for too much?
Any Help Would be greatly appreciate it, with this economy I do not have enough resource to continue. So Basically I am too old for these type of jobs & I need to conenterate as much as I can On my part of the job!!!!
Sincerely Yours
Mehdi Amani

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Leslie Barrett <lbarrett29 at> wrote:

From: Leslie Barrett <lbarrett29 at>
Subject: Re: [protege-discussion] An Ontology Model For any Organization
To: protege-discussion at
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:14 PM

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Hi Mehdi,
I am a Director of Language Technology at the Financial Times and this is the kind of thing that comes up often around here. First, it would help to know how this ontology is going to be used as a resource and by whom. Next, you have to assume certain basic relations that may have nonetheless a wide variety of population conventions. For example, every Organization has a REPORTS_TO relation between employees that is based on ROLES, but the role structure will differ between companies and departments. So, for example, an organization division can have a CTO that reports to *another* CTO who runs technology for the parent company. So there is some division-inheritance there. It is an interesting topic. Furthermore, the relations between ROLE and JOB RESPONSIBILITY are not one-to-one. Would be happy to give you more examples.

Leslie Barrett

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:00:56 -0700
From: mehdi_amani at
To: protege-discussion at
Subject: [protege-discussion] An Ontology Model For any Organization

Dear All,
I need an Ontology for a General Organization. I know any organization is made up of actually a number of (or even One) Directed Binary Emloyee to EmployeeS upervision Relation, but this is really too simplistic. even in the Newspaper example of protege they start defining classes, other relations even person, then you will have users, groups, Reverse Slots & .....Even if we assume a virtual box around a set of employees inside the Newpaper Organizational Charts We can have Departements & so on...... I was Wondering if any one has done a ontology model for a typical Organization, which could be refined to build ontology of a University all the way to then Newpaper example. If anyone has done such a modeling even at it's crwedest level I will apriciated highly to share thier knowledge . any help is greatly appreciated. 
SincerelyMehdi Amani 
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