[protege-discussion] Problem in inferrencing

[Soha Said]

Thanks so much. you got so closed
I do what you said.
 
now individual  x has data property (name="Chris")
and individual y has data property (age=13)
 
after they are same the output must be 
individual x: name="Chris" and age="13"
and individual y: name="Chris" and age="13"
 
but what happen not that
still each individual has his own data properties after inferencing 
and I adjust preferences of reasoner. I don't know why?
 
 
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From: Timothy Redmond <tredmond at stanford.edu>

Maybe  you are asking whether two individuals that are the same as each 
other should have the same inferred object and data property values?  
The answer is yes.  What's more - this I wasn't clear on - this is 
displayed naturally in the latest Protege.  (I knew  from previous 
discussions that data property values can be difficult for a reasoner  
to compute but I didn't entirely understand why this was so.)

I created the attached ontology.  In the latest Protege 4.1, I selected 
my reasoner (I tried both pellet and HermiT).  I changed the reasoner  
preferences (Reasoner->Configure->Displayed Inferences) to display both 
object property assertions and data property assertions.  Then in the 
individuals tab I selected  the class A and the individual  j.  It then 
showed both the inferred data property and inferred object property that 
was retrieved from  the same individual i.

-Timothy


On 09/17/2010 10:25 AM, Timothy Redmond wrote:
> On 09/17/2010 10:05 AM, Soha Said wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I put some rule says that: if person x ,student y , y is copluar to 
>> (some relation in my ontology) x, y is nsubj to (some relation in my 
>> ontology) x then x same as y.
>> this rule when applied data properties and object properties must be 
>> equaled  of x and y.but what happened object properties are equaled 
>> but data properties are not equaled. why?
>
> Again I have trouble understanding your question.  The rule you 
> describe  is as follows:
>
>    Person(x)
>    Student(y)
>    y copluar x
>    x nsubj y
>    ---------------
>    x = y
>        
>
>
> I am not sure if there are any SWRL constraints  about the conclusion 
> (x=y) but I will ignore that for the moment.  There are not data 
> properties in this rule.  In this rule, x and y must be individuals so 
> the properties, copluar and nsubj,  must be object properties.  I 
> would have guessed that the x and y are the only variables in this 
> rule so this rule only applies to people and students.  It cannot be 
> applied to data properties.
>
> -Timothy
>
>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Soha Said
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>>-
>> Subject: Re: [protege-discussion] Problem in inferrencing
>> Looking at this, it is hard to tell what you are trying to do.  It
>> looks like you are asserting that
>>
>> all students are people
>> there is some person who is named Chris.
>> there is some student, possibly the same as the person above, who is a
>> graduate.
>>
>> Did I miss something?  From this you want to conclude that the
>> students name is Chris?  How does this follow?
>>
>> -Timothy
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:44 PM, Soha Said wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Thanks for your reply, but I do what you said and after reasoning
>> > the object properties are equal not data properties. Why?
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Soha Said.
>> >
>> > On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Soha Said wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > > I use prot?g? 4.1 beta. I build an ontology "Student" is subclass of
>> > > "Person".
>> > > If I create an instance from each two classes, then properties of
>> > > person instance inherited to student instance:
>> > >
>> > > If "Person_Instance_1":
>> > > Type: Person.
>> > > Name: Chris.
>> > >
>> > > And, "Student_Instance_1":
>> > > Type: Student.
>> > > Adjective: graduate.
>> > >
>> > > I want after inferencing, I can deduce that:
>> > >
>> > > "Student_Instance_1":
>> > > Type: Student.
>> > > Adjective: graduate.
>> > > Name: Chris.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > How can I reach this result?
>> >
>> > The only way to reach this result is to assert somewhere that
>> >
>> >    Person_Instance_1 sameAs Student_Instance_1
>> >
>> > You can't get the result you want with inference any other way.  After
>> > all, there can be man instances of Person named "John", "Bill", etc.
>> > who are differentFrom Student_Instance_1.  So you have to tell the
>> > system which instances refer to the same individual.



      
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