From benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr  Fri Mar  2 07:16:32 2018
From: benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr (benoit gaillard)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 16:16:32 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] unexpected jump to rdfs
References: <002001d3af15$a34e5470$e9eafd50$@coupdepuce.fr>
 <8704DA31-52F6-413D-8792-F8D55D53A25E@stanford.edu>
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Message-ID: <00d301d3b239$730ba7a0$5922f6e0$@coupdepuce.fr>

Hi again,

 

So, unfortunately, I am not allowed to share the ontologies I work on...

Fortunately, however, I installed 5.2.0 prot?g? version, and it doesn?t seem to have broken anything yet.

I?ll keep you updated if I run into this wild change of format again.

 

Thanks again for your help,

 

Beno?t

 

 

 

De : benoit gaillard [mailto:benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr] 
Envoy? : mardi 27 f?vrier 2018 10:36
? : 'User support for WebProtege and Protege Desktop' <protege-user at lists.stanford.edu>
Objet : RE: [protege-user] unexpected jump to rdfs

 

Hi Matthew, Michael,

 

Thank you for your quick replies. I have asked for the permission to hare the ontology online. It doesn?t belong to me?

 

There is no reason for me to use 5.1.0 rather than 5.2.0. I think I just did not update it when I should have.

 

About ald?baran, by ?class, property or individual with the IRI  <http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran> http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran.?, do you mean something like that (copied from the rdf file) :

 

<rdf:Description rdf:about="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran">

                <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#Class"/>

                <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Entit?Nomm?e"/>

                <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Lanceur"/>

                <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#$DomaineProgrammesEtProjetsLanceurs"/>

                <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:nodeID="genid182"/>

</rdf:Description>

 

or

 

<rdf:Description rdf:about="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran">

                <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#NamedIndividual"/>

                <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran"/>

                <formeLexicaleS?lectiveDuConcept xml:lang="fr">oui</formeLexicaleS?lectiveDuConcept>

</rdf:Description>

?

 

Cheers,

 

B

 

PS: shall we go Private Message to not clutter the list,  or stay on the list to share knowledge with everyone?

 

De : protege-user [mailto:protege-user-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] De la part de Michael DeBellis
Envoy? : lundi 26 f?vrier 2018 21:32
? : User support for WebProtege and Protege Desktop <protege-user at lists.stanford.edu <mailto:protege-user at lists.stanford.edu> >
Objet : Re: [protege-user] unexpected jump to rdfs

 

Beno?t, one place you can upload your ontology is on the Web Protege site: http://webprotege.stanford.edu/  If you upload the full ontology there and then edit the settings to make it public you can share a link with the group and we can view it via Web Protege or download the ontology to our desktops and try to load it using the Desktop version of Protege. 

 

Michael

 

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Matthew Horridge <matthew.horridge at stanford.edu <mailto:matthew.horridge at stanford.edu> > wrote:

Hi, 

 

I?m not sure what the issue is exactly.  I could do with seeing the complete ontology.  If you could upload it somewhere and share the link that would be great.

 

What I do notice is that you have annotations on IRIs, for example

 

http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran <http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran> 

 

but then there is no corresponding entity for the IRI i.e. there is no class, property or individual with the IRI http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran <http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran> .  These annotations won?t show up in the Protege UI.

 

Without seeing the complete file it?s impossible to know whether this is intentional or not.

 

Is there a reason why you?re using Protege 5.1.0 and not 5.2.0?

 

Cheers,

 

Matthew

 

 

On 26 Feb 2018, at 07:22, benoit gaillard <benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr <mailto:benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr> > wrote:

 

Good day to you, Protege User List

 

I?m writing to you because something happens with my ontology, which I don?t understand. I?m using Prot?g? 5.1.0 under Windows.

Sometimes (I couldn?t reproduce the behaviour deterministically), the owl file I am working on becomes a non-owl rdfs file (I think), like the attached 20180207_short_CNES.owl file. When it so becomes, I can open it in Prot?g? but Prot?g? doesn?t seem to be able to read any information from it. 

When everything is working properly, I have files such as the attached  20180206_short_CNES.owlfile, which are great, perfectly functional.

Note that the files are too big to travel over emails, so I have removed their bulk, leaving only the heading, the end and a sample of content. 

 

So my questions are:

*	Is my understanding of the issue accurate?
*	Is it an identified behaviour of Protege?
*	What causes it, how can I avoid it?
*	How can I recover the information that is still present in the ?rdfs? file (convert it to the legit owl file that Prot?g? handles)?

 

Feel free to request more details if that can help us understanding the issue.

 

Thank you for your attention,

 

Best regards,

 

Beno?t Gaillard

 

 

    Beno?t Gaillard

   05-61-14-77-17

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From katerina.gkirtzou at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 07:27:49 2018
From: katerina.gkirtzou at gmail.com (Katerina Gkirtzou)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 17:27:49 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] Cannot login to Webprotege
Message-ID: <0ce5feac-2cf7-3bf1-2869-c211538509f4@gmail.com>

Hello,

I tried to login to webprotege today, but I couldn't. I entered my 
username and password, but nothing happens. No error message. I tried to 
reset password and providing the one receive via email, but nothing. I 
have tried both firefox and chromium, in normal window and in private 
one, removing cache, but nothing seems to help.

Any suggestions or advice on what's going on? Thanks in advance

Katerina


From matthew.horridge at stanford.edu  Fri Mar  2 10:28:31 2018
From: matthew.horridge at stanford.edu (Matthew Horridge)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:28:31 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] unexpected jump to rdfs
In-Reply-To: <00d301d3b239$730ba7a0$5922f6e0$@coupdepuce.fr>
References: <002001d3af15$a34e5470$e9eafd50$@coupdepuce.fr>
 <8704DA31-52F6-413D-8792-F8D55D53A25E@stanford.edu>
 <CALGFikeeY_i9mLkVWgToA-ws43WcNsa8hWefrMXv53bPhbisdg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E359C0F3-28C3-4256-A3B3-6E736F40F574@stanford.edu>

Hi Beno?t,

Ok thanks for letting us know.

Cheers,

Matthew


On 2 Mar 2018, at 07:16, benoit gaillard <benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr<mailto:benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr>> wrote:

Hi again,

So, unfortunately, I am not allowed to share the ontologies I work on...
Fortunately, however, I installed 5.2.0 prot?g? version, and it doesn?t seem to have broken anything yet.
I?ll keep you updated if I run into this wild change of format again.

Thanks again for your help,

Beno?t



De : benoit gaillard [mailto:benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr]
Envoy? : mardi 27 f?vrier 2018 10:36
? : 'User support for WebProtege and Protege Desktop' <protege-user at lists.stanford.edu<mailto:protege-user at lists.stanford.edu>>
Objet : RE: [protege-user] unexpected jump to rdfs

Hi Matthew, Michael,

Thank you for your quick replies. I have asked for the permission to hare the ontology online. It doesn?t belong to me?

There is no reason for me to use 5.1.0 rather than 5.2.0. I think I just did not update it when I should have.

About ald?baran, by ?class, property or individual with the IRI http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran<http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran>.?, do you mean something like that (copied from the rdf file) :

<rdf:Description rdf:about="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran<http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran>">
                <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#Class"/>
                <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Entit?Nomm?e<http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Entit%C3%A9Nomm%C3%A9e>"/>
                <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Lanceur"/>
                <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#$DomaineProgrammesEtProjetsLanceurs"/>
                <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:nodeID="genid182"/>
</rdf:Description>

or

<rdf:Description rdf:about="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran<http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran>">
                <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#NamedIndividual"/>
                <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran<http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran>"/>
                <formeLexicaleS?lectiveDuConcept xml:lang="fr">oui</formeLexicaleS?lectiveDuConcept>
</rdf:Description>
?

Cheers,

B

PS: shall we go Private Message to not clutter the list,  or stay on the list to share knowledge with everyone?

De : protege-user [mailto:protege-user-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] De la part de Michael DeBellis
Envoy? : lundi 26 f?vrier 2018 21:32
? : User support for WebProtege and Protege Desktop <protege-user at lists.stanford.edu<mailto:protege-user at lists.stanford.edu>>
Objet : Re: [protege-user] unexpected jump to rdfs

Beno?t, one place you can upload your ontology is on the Web Protege site: http://webprotege.stanford.edu/  If you upload the full ontology there and then edit the settings to make it public you can share a link with the group and we can view it via Web Protege or download the ontology to our desktops and try to load it using the Desktop version of Protege.

Michael

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Matthew Horridge <matthew.horridge at stanford.edu<mailto:matthew.horridge at stanford.edu>> wrote:
Hi,

I?m not sure what the issue is exactly.  I could do with seeing the complete ontology.  If you could upload it somewhere and share the link that would be great.

What I do notice is that you have annotations on IRIs, for example

http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran<http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran>

but then there is no corresponding entity for the IRI i.e. there is no class, property or individual with the IRI http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald?baran<http://www.cnes.fr/OntologieCNES.owl#Ald%C3%A9baran>.  These annotations won?t show up in the Protege UI.

Without seeing the complete file it?s impossible to know whether this is intentional or not.

Is there a reason why you?re using Protege 5.1.0 and not 5.2.0?

Cheers,

Matthew


On 26 Feb 2018, at 07:22, benoit gaillard <benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr<mailto:benoit.gaillard at coupdepuce.fr>> wrote:

Good day to you, Protege User List

I?m writing to you because something happens with my ontology, which I don?t understand. I?m using Prot?g? 5.1.0 under Windows.
Sometimes (I couldn?t reproduce the behaviour deterministically), the owl file I am working on becomes a non-owl rdfs file (I think), like the attached 20180207_short_CNES.owl file. When it so becomes, I can open it in Prot?g? but Prot?g? doesn?t seem to be able to read any information from it.
When everything is working properly, I have files such as the attached  20180206_short_CNES.owlfile, which are great, perfectly functional.
Note that the files are too big to travel over emails, so I have removed their bulk, leaving only the heading, the end and a sample of content.

So my questions are:

  *   Is my understanding of the issue accurate?
  *   Is it an identified behaviour of Protege?
  *   What causes it, how can I avoid it?
  *   How can I recover the information that is still present in the ?rdfs? file (convert it to the legit owl file that Prot?g? handles)?


Feel free to request more details if that can help us understanding the issue.

Thank you for your attention,

Best regards,

Beno?t Gaillard


    Beno?t Gaillard
   05-61-14-77-17
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From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Sat Mar  3 13:58:18 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (katetzaf)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:58:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
Message-ID: <1520114298814-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Dear team,

I am new in Protege and i am trying to assign some literal value to a data
type property using swrl rules. 
How can i see the change done in my ontology? Can i use sqwrl to select and
view somehow the newly assigned value?

My rule looks like the following:
User (?u) ^ someDataProp(?u, ?dvalue)  .  sqwrl:makeSet(?s, ?dvalue)  . 
sqwrl:avg(?avg, ?s) ^ swrlb:greaterThan(?dvalue, ?s) -> anOtherdataProp (?u,
"High") 

That is, I want the data property 'anOtherdataProp' gets a value of "High"
if the value of the first data property (someDataProp) is larger than
average. 

All data properties are already constructed and assigned in their domains.
Range of 'anOtherdataProp':Literal 

Thank you in advance






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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Sun Mar  4 00:46:39 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 09:46:39 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
In-Reply-To: <1520114298814-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1520114298814-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <d302af44-02ce-7b08-fe27-dfdc26e4414a@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

Where do you add the SWRL rule? The rules tab or the SWRL tab? For the
first, an OWL reasoner has to be enabled. For the second, result will
only be vissible in the SWRL tab resp. via SQWRL as a Drools engine will
be used instead of an OWL reasoner.


On 03.03.2018 22:58, katetzaf wrote:
> Dear team,
>
> I am new in Protege and i am trying to assign some literal value to a data
> type property using swrl rules. 
> How can i see the change done in my ontology? Can i use sqwrl to select and
> view somehow the newly assigned value?
>
> My rule looks like the following:
> User (?u) ^ someDataProp(?u, ?dvalue)  .  sqwrl:makeSet(?s, ?dvalue)  . 
> sqwrl:avg(?avg, ?s) ^ swrlb:greaterThan(?dvalue, ?s) -> anOtherdataProp (?u,
> "High") 
>
> That is, I want the data property 'anOtherdataProp' gets a value of "High"
> if the value of the first data property (someDataProp) is larger than
> average. 
>
> All data properties are already constructed and assigned in their domains.
> Range of 'anOtherdataProp':Literal 
>
> Thank you in advance
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 02:09:40 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (katetzaf)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 03:09:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
In-Reply-To: <d302af44-02ce-7b08-fe27-dfdc26e4414a@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
References: <1520114298814-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <d302af44-02ce-7b08-fe27-dfdc26e4414a@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
Message-ID: <1520158180327-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

I use  SQWRL tab since i also use some SQWRL build for comparison (avg). But
in resp. tabs i get informed that no result is generated. 

"/SQWRL query test_makeBag did not generate any result/."

I have to select some entity i guess but sqwrl:select(?u) lets me view the
user who satisfies the rule, not the new data type property value. I thought
to bind this assigned value  to a new variable to query it later using
select.

I also tried Rules tab and Pellet Reasoner but cannot understand where to
view the assigned value.

<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376750/scr1.jpg> 

<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376750/scr2.jpg> 

Sorry if it sounds confusing, maybe i have not understood something basic
regarding the rules' result logic.





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From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 03:52:28 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (katetzaf)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 04:52:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
In-Reply-To: <1520158180327-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1520114298814-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <d302af44-02ce-7b08-fe27-dfdc26e4414a@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <1520158180327-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1520164348913-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Solved it!
 i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.

Thank you.



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From sunid at stanford.edu  Sun Mar  4 14:31:56 2018
From: sunid at stanford.edu (Martin O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 22:31:56 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
In-Reply-To: <1520164348913-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1520114298814-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <d302af44-02ce-7b08-fe27-dfdc26e4414a@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <1520158180327-0.post@n4.nabble.com> <1520164348913-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <64BEFC4E-E749-43ED-A9AB-A391CF2D0D39@stanford.edu>


Note that SQWRL operators should not be used in SWRL rules. SQWRL operators are designed for querying only and do not support inference.

You are attempting to express closed world inference using a SWRL rule. See:

https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageFAQ#Does_SWRL_adopt_the_Open_World_Assumption

Martin


On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:52 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com<mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:

Solved it!
i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.

Thank you.



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From pr-aksw at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Mon Mar  5 02:22:47 2018
From: pr-aksw at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Sebastian Hellmann)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:22:47 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] SEMANTiCS 2018, Vienna, Sep 10-13, Open Calls
Message-ID: <32c2be47-10bb-96fb-9f98-d81b894d1574@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

Apologies for cross-posting

Call for Papers, Posters & Workshops and Tutorials
SEMANTiCS 2018 - The Linked Data Conference
14th International Conference on Semantic Systems

Vienna, Austria
September 10 -13, 2018
http://2018.semantics.cc

Important Dates (Research & Innovation incl. Data Science Track)
Abstract Submission Deadline:??? April 15, 2018 (11:59 pm, Hawaii time)
Paper Submission Deadline:??? April 22, 2018 (11:59 pm, Hawaii time)
Notification of Acceptance: ??? June 4, 2018 (11:59 pm, Hawaii time)
Camera-Ready Paper: ??? ??? August 6, 2018 (11:59 pm, Hawaii time)

Submission via Easychair on 
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SEMANTiCS?18 proceedings will be published as Open Access by Elsevier 
Procedia Computer Science.

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who make semantic computing work, understand its benefits, and encounter 
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is highly diverse; attendees routinely interlinking areas such as 
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Given the success of last year?s conference in Amsterdam, which 
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in the intersection of Semantic Technologies, Linked Data and Data 
Science and provide a platform to present their ideas and discuss the 
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length for full papers and 6 pages for short papers, including 
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important scientific, technical and socio-economic challenges of this 
emerging field. The detailed Call for Data Science papers is available 
here: https://2018.semantics.cc/calls

Important Dates:
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semantic systems! The detailed Call for Industry and Use Case 
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# Vocarnival
Bootstrap your new Vocabulary project: At the carnival you can present 
your ideas and early stage vocabs to find the right people to get the 
Vocab discussion going. For this event we use a very open definition of 
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metadata schemes, whatever their format, in RDF or not, are all welcome. 
We require at least a project website. Details to follow.

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http://2018.semantics.cc


From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 12:45:05 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (Katerina Tzafilkou)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 22:45:05 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
In-Reply-To: <64BEFC4E-E749-43ED-A9AB-A391CF2D0D39@stanford.edu>
References: <1520114298814-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <d302af44-02ce-7b08-fe27-dfdc26e4414a@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
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I see, so only swrl makes changes in the ontology. I have to work more on
this.
Thank you
???? 5 ??? 2018 12:32 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <sunid at stanford.edu>
??????:

>
> Note that SQWRL operators should not be used in SWRL rules. SQWRL
> operators are designed for querying only and do not support inference.
>
> You are attempting to express closed world inference using a SWRL rule.
> See:
>
> https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageFAQ#Does_SWRL_
> adopt_the_Open_World_Assumption
>
> Martin
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:52 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Solved it!
> i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
> cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
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From sunid at stanford.edu  Mon Mar  5 13:41:49 2018
From: sunid at stanford.edu (Martin O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 21:41:49 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
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I see, so only swrl makes changes in the ontology. I have to work more on this.

Actually, to be more precise: SWRL allows you to make new inferences in an ontology - it does not support ontology modification.

See:

https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageFAQ#Does_SWRL_support_Nonmonotonic_Inference

Martin


Thank you

???? 5 ??? 2018 12:32 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <sunid at stanford.edu<mailto:sunid at stanford.edu>> ??????:

Note that SQWRL operators should not be used in SWRL rules. SQWRL operators are designed for querying only and do not support inference.

You are attempting to express closed world inference using a SWRL rule. See:

https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageFAQ#Does_SWRL_adopt_the_Open_World_Assumption

Martin


On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:52 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com<mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:

Solved it!
i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.

Thank you.



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From mimran646 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 15:18:22 2018
From: mimran646 at gmail.com (mimran)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:18:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
Message-ID: <1520291902778-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi everyone,
                  I am new to Protege and am having some problem with DL
query. I am actually trying to query in DL tab using one simple data
property called hasDimension. The domain for this property is a class called
"Part" and range is "integer". What I am expecting is, the query should
return the integer value that I have asserted as a fact. For example,
individual part01 (instance of the Part class) has dimension 10, so I expect
the system to return a value 10, but it doesn't work (even the execution tab
remains disable). I wrote my query as follows:

inverse hasDimension some {part01}

However, when I write the query like hasDimension some {10}, it returns me
the expected result which is part01.


Thanks.

Imran




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From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 16:01:22 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (Katerina Tzafilkou)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 02:01:22 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
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As I can tell from the wiki post swrl does not support ontology
modification, i.e. I cannot alter the value of a data property. If I
attempt to do it then the property owns two values, the previous and the
newly added one .
However, I can add a value to an empty data property. Or I can add an
individual to a class. Am I right? This is also considered modification?
???? 5 ??? 2018 11:42 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <sunid at stanford.edu>
??????:

>
> I see, so only swrl makes changes in the ontology. I have to work more on
> this.
>
>
> Actually, to be more precise: SWRL allows you to make new inferences in an
> ontology - it does not support ontology modification.
>
> See:
>
> https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageFAQ#Does_SWRL_
> support_Nonmonotonic_Inference
>
> Martin
>
> Thank you
> ???? 5 ??? 2018 12:32 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <
> sunid at stanford.edu> ??????:
>
>>
>> Note that SQWRL operators should not be used in SWRL rules. SQWRL
>> operators are designed for querying only and do not support inference.
>>
>> You are attempting to express closed world inference using a SWRL rule.
>> See:
>>
>> https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageF
>> AQ#Does_SWRL_adopt_the_Open_World_Assumption
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:52 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Solved it!
>> i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
>> cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
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From sunid at stanford.edu  Mon Mar  5 16:11:45 2018
From: sunid at stanford.edu (Martin O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 00:11:45 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
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SWRL supports the addition of new assertions to an ontology. It does not support the modification of existing assertions.

There is no such thing as 'an empty data property'. A data property assertion exists in an ontology for an individual/property/value combination or it does not.

One needs to be intimately aware of the consequences of monotonicity when working with SWRL (and OWL).

Monotonicity essentially means that you cannot retract or modify an existing assertion. You can add as many new assertions as you would like - with the caveat that these assertions should not (directly or indirectly) contradict existing assertions.

Martin

On Mar 5, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Katerina Tzafilkou <katerinatzaf at gmail.com<mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:


As I can tell from the wiki post swrl does not support ontology modification, i.e. I cannot alter the value of a data property. If I attempt to do it then the property owns two values, the previous and the newly added one .
However, I can add a value to an empty data property. Or I can add an individual to a class. Am I right? This is also considered modification?

???? 5 ??? 2018 11:42 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <sunid at stanford.edu<mailto:sunid at stanford.edu>> ??????:

I see, so only swrl makes changes in the ontology. I have to work more on this.

Actually, to be more precise: SWRL allows you to make new inferences in an ontology - it does not support ontology modification.

See:

https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageFAQ#Does_SWRL_support_Nonmonotonic_Inference

Martin


Thank you

???? 5 ??? 2018 12:32 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <sunid at stanford.edu<mailto:sunid at stanford.edu>> ??????:

Note that SQWRL operators should not be used in SWRL rules. SQWRL operators are designed for querying only and do not support inference.

You are attempting to express closed world inference using a SWRL rule. See:

https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageFAQ#Does_SWRL_adopt_the_Open_World_Assumption

Martin


On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:52 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com<mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:

Solved it!
i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.

Thank you.



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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 16:23:05 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:23:05 -0800
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
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Katerina, the technical term is that SWRL doesn't support non-monotonic
reasoning. So for example if Joe was 17 but just had a birthday so you want
to update his age to be 18 you can't do that kind of reasoning in SWRL.
SWRL absolutely can define the values of object or data properties though
and can create new individuals or change the class that an individual
belongs to. So if I want to say that all humans with age under 18 belong to
the class Minor that's the kind of thing that SWRL can support (although
you could also do that with a DL definition).

Here is a presentation from Martin that describes the difference. I think
the whole presentation is worth studying but if you want to just see
details about monotonic vs non-monotonic do a search for "Monotonic":
https://protege.stanford.edu/conference/2009/slides/SWRL2009ProtegeConference.pdf

I know this is confusing, at least it confused me at first and still does
some times. One way I like to think of it is as the difference between
Declarative and Procedural knowledge. If it's Declarative, i.e., if it's
about the various definitions in the data and the logical consequences that
they have than SWRL can probably represent it. If it's procedural, if it's
how the Data changes as a result of various processes that use the data
then it's probably non-monotonic. But the clearest explanation with
examples IMO is in that presentation.

Michael

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 4:01 PM, Katerina Tzafilkou <katerinatzaf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> As I can tell from the wiki post swrl does not support ontology
> modification, i.e. I cannot alter the value of a data property. If I
> attempt to do it then the property owns two values, the previous and the
> newly added one .
> However, I can add a value to an empty data property. Or I can add an
> individual to a class. Am I right? This is also considered modification?
> ???? 5 ??? 2018 11:42 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <
> sunid at stanford.edu> ??????:
>
>>
>> I see, so only swrl makes changes in the ontology. I have to work more on
>> this.
>>
>>
>> Actually, to be more precise: SWRL allows you to make new inferences in
>> an ontology - it does not support ontology modification.
>>
>> See:
>>
>> https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageF
>> AQ#Does_SWRL_support_Nonmonotonic_Inference
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Thank you
>> ???? 5 ??? 2018 12:32 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <
>> sunid at stanford.edu> ??????:
>>
>>>
>>> Note that SQWRL operators should not be used in SWRL rules. SQWRL
>>> operators are designed for querying only and do not support inference.
>>>
>>> You are attempting to express closed world inference using a SWRL rule.
>>> See:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageF
>>> AQ#Does_SWRL_adopt_the_Open_World_Assumption
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:52 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Solved it!
>>> i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
>>> cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 16:24:33 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:24:33 -0800
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
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Imran, if the Execute button is disabled that means something is wrong with
the syntax of your query.  A good trick is to remember to use CNTRL+SPACE
at any point, that will show you the possible legal completions. It works
in the DL Query and in any Protege screen that is expecting input that
follows a specific syntax such as a SWRL rule or a Class expression.

Here is the documentation for the Manchester Syntax which is used in the DL
Query tab: https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-manchester-syntax/

If I'm understanding the query you are trying to make correctly then I
don't think it's possible. It sounds like you are expecting the number 10
as a result. I.e., give all the numbers that are the value of hasDimension
for Part01. If that is what you are trying to do it won't work because you
can't have inverses for data properties. Things like numbers and strings
aren't tracked by the Reasoner as first class objects the way individuals
in the knowledge base are. That's the difference between a data property
and an object property. An object property can have an inverse (or be
reflexive, transitive, or symmetric) but a data property can't. If you
think about it, it would be a huge requirement to do things the other way,
it would mean that essentially any number or string would have to be
treated as a first class object with all the overhead that requires.

Michael



On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 3:18 PM, mimran <mimran646 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>                   I am new to Protege and am having some problem with DL
> query. I am actually trying to query in DL tab using one simple data
> property called hasDimension. The domain for this property is a class
> called
> "Part" and range is "integer". What I am expecting is, the query should
> return the integer value that I have asserted as a fact. For example,
> individual part01 (instance of the Part class) has dimension 10, so I
> expect
> the system to return a value 10, but it doesn't work (even the execution
> tab
> remains disable). I wrote my query as follows:
>
> inverse hasDimension some {part01}
>
> However, when I write the query like hasDimension some {10}, it returns me
> the expected result which is part01.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Imran
>
>
>
>
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From www.fofa at live.com  Mon Mar  5 16:52:14 2018
From: www.fofa at live.com (Foziah Gazzawe)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 00:52:14 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Inquiry
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Hi,
I need help as I need to develop a framework by using ontology. I have done all works on the Prot?g?, but the problem is that I do not know how to link it to my HTML user interfaces as I finished them as well. Could you please provide me with tutorial or the steps that help me to link them.


Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Mar 2018, at 8:45 pm, Katerina Tzafilkou <katerinatzaf at gmail.com<mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:


I see, so only swrl makes changes in the ontology. I have to work more on this.
Thank you

???? 5 ??? 2018 12:32 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <sunid at stanford.edu<mailto:sunid at stanford.edu>> ??????:

Note that SQWRL operators should not be used in SWRL rules. SQWRL operators are designed for querying only and do not support inference.

You are attempting to express closed world inference using a SWRL rule. See:

https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageFAQ#Does_SWRL_adopt_the_Open_World_Assumption

Martin


On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:52 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com<mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:

Solved it!
i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.

Thank you.



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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 17:27:16 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 17:27:16 -0800
Subject: [protege-user] Inquiry
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Protege is a data modeling tool not a full scale application development
suite. The way most people develop applications is to use Java and to use
frameworks like Jenna to access the ontology and then use the various UI
libraries in Java to develop the GUI.  But you could also use Python or
many other programming languages and the various OWL and UI frameworks that
come with those languages (although for OWL frameworks I think Java is best
and Python second). I suggest you get a book on Semantic Web programming.
Two good ones are Semantic Web Programming by John Hebeler et. al. (they
focus on Java) and Programming the Semantic Web by Colin Evans et. al.
(they focus on Python).

Michael

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Foziah Gazzawe <www.fofa at live.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I need help as I need to develop a framework by using ontology. I have
> done all works on the Prot?g?, but the problem is that I do not know how to
> link it to my HTML user interfaces as I finished them as well. Could you
> please provide me with tutorial or the steps that help me to link them.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 5 Mar 2018, at 8:45 pm, Katerina Tzafilkou <katerinatzaf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I see, so only swrl makes changes in the ontology. I have to work more on
> this.
> Thank you
> ???? 5 ??? 2018 12:32 ?.?., ? ??????? "Martin O'Connor" <
> sunid at stanford.edu> ??????:
>
>>
>> Note that SQWRL operators should not be used in SWRL rules. SQWRL
>> operators are designed for querying only and do not support inference.
>>
>> You are attempting to express closed world inference using a SWRL rule.
>> See:
>>
>> https://github.com/protegeproject/swrlapi/wiki/SWRLLanguageF
>> AQ#Does_SWRL_adopt_the_Open_World_Assumption
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:52 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Solved it!
>> i have to run Drool Engine every time after i run sqwrl rule. Even if i
>> cannot select-check the rule is SWRL tab, it seems to work.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f46598
>> 18.html
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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Mon Mar  5 22:50:02 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 07:50:02 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
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Impossible with DL Query.

Use SPARQL, which is a query language on the RDF triple level. With the
Snap SPARQL plugin you'll also get inference support (yet, limited to
some extend)


On 06.03.2018 01:24, Michael DeBellis wrote:
> Imran, if the Execute button is disabled that means something is wrong
> with the syntax of your query.? A good trick is to remember to use
> CNTRL+SPACE at any point, that will show you the possible legal
> completions. It works in the DL Query and in any Protege screen that
> is expecting input that follows a specific syntax such as a SWRL rule
> or a Class expression.?
>
> Here is the documentation for the Manchester Syntax which is used in
> the DL Query tab:?https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-manchester-syntax/
> <https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-manchester-syntax/>
>
> If I'm understanding the query you are trying to make correctly then I
> don't think it's possible. It sounds like you are expecting the number
> 10 as a result. I.e., give all the numbers that are the value of
> hasDimension for Part01. If that is what you are trying to do it won't
> work because you can't have inverses for data properties. Things like
> numbers and strings aren't tracked by the Reasoner as first class
> objects the way individuals in the knowledge base are. That's the
> difference between a data property and an object property. An object
> property can have an inverse (or be reflexive, transitive, or
> symmetric) but a data property can't. If you think about it, it would
> be a huge requirement to do things the other way, it would mean that
> essentially any number or string would have to be treated as a first
> class object with all the overhead that requires.?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 3:18 PM, mimran <mimran646 at gmail.com
> <mailto:mimran646 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi everyone,
>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am new to Protege and am having some problem
>     with DL
>     query. I am actually trying to query in DL tab using one simple data
>     property called hasDimension. The domain for this property is a
>     class called
>     "Part" and range is "integer". What I am expecting is, the query
>     should
>     return the integer value that I have asserted as a fact. For example,
>     individual part01 (instance of the Part class) has dimension 10,
>     so I expect
>     the system to return a value 10, but it doesn't work (even the
>     execution tab
>     remains disable). I wrote my query as follows:
>
>     inverse hasDimension some {part01}
>
>     However, when I write the query like hasDimension some {10}, it
>     returns me
>     the expected result which is part01.
>
>
>     Thanks.
>
>     Imran
>
>
>
>
>     --
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>     http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f4659818.html
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From: kivs at bultreebank.org (=?utf-8?Q?Kiril=20Simov?=)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 10:01:03 +0000
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[Apologies for cross-postings]

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                             ESSLLI 2018

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different European country under the auspices of the Association for Logic,
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Sofia University ?St. Kl. Ohridski? and the Institute of Information and
Communication Technologies, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences (IICT-BAS), will
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From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 06:37:31 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (katetzaf)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 07:37:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
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Thank you for explaining this to me. 
So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege? I only found a
NoHR plugin but not sure what it can do,
Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology modification?
There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as variables
in my SWRL rules? 
If it's No to all the above then I possibly need to find some other
methodology and tool or  to 'compromise' my model to a monotonic reasoning;
but this will make it loose much of its usefulness and functionality I
guess.  



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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 07:13:21 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 07:13:21 -0800
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
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"So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege?"

I don't know all the plugins so I can't say for sure. But you can
definitely do non-monotonic reasoning with OWL ontologies (which of course
is what Protege creates). You just can't do so in SWRL. For example, I
think SPARQL besides doing queries can also (it's sort of the SQL of the
semantic web) assert new data into the ontology and I think that data can
be non-monotonic. Or you can write Java programs that access the data and
of course you can certainly do non-monotonic reasoning that way.

"Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology modification?
There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as variables
in my SWRL rules?"

SWRL supports ontology modification, just not non-monotonic reasoning. SWRL
is actually incredibly powerful and you can do a lot with it once you get
comfortable with it. If you have ever programmed in Prolog it kind of has
that feel to it only (just my personal opinion) I find SWRL to be more
intuitive than Prolog. If you know some First Order Logic SWRL is very much
like programming in FOL which for the right problem can be extremely
elegant and powerful. You can't use SQWRL built-ins except to query the
ontology (so no you can't use them in SWRL rules that modify the ontology)
but there are a lot of SWRL built-ins for Time, Math, string
manipulation,... see:  https://www.w3.org/Submission/SWRL/#8  As I said
above, I think SPARQL can do non-monotonic reasoning but I've never used it
except to do some sample queries and understand the basic syntax. Also,
FYI, the basic SPARQL plugin that comes with Protege has some limitations
as I understand it. If you use SPARQL you might want to check out a
different more complete implementation. If you go that route you might want
to check out the book: Learning SPARQL by Bob DuCharme.

I developed a very basic SWRL tutorial that you might want to take a look
at:
http://symbolicshacker.blogspot.com/2017/06/swrl-process-modeling-tutorial.html
This is just something I did to provide a very basic intro to SWRL. It's
not part of the official Protege materials so if you do use it and have
questions please just address them directly to me: mdebellissf at gmail.com
rather than the whole group. I usually check my email very frequently so I
should respond in a day if you have questions on the tutorial. But I would
really recommend looking at Java or Python and how to write objects that
manipulate the ontology as described in those books I mentioned in a
previous message. Good luck!

Michael


On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:37 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for explaining this to me.
> So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege? I only found
> a
> NoHR plugin but not sure what it can do,
> Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology modification?
> There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as variables
> in my SWRL rules?
> If it's No to all the above then I possibly need to find some other
> methodology and tool or  to 'compromise' my model to a monotonic reasoning;
> but this will make it loose much of its usefulness and functionality I
> guess.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-
> f4659818.html
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From alessia.battisti at hotmail.it  Tue Mar  6 08:50:28 2018
From: alessia.battisti at hotmail.it (Ale B)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:50:28 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Problem by saving - Protege5 Ubuntu16.04.
Message-ID: <VI1PR0102MB3519275CE82E999BDB2B4006F9D90@VI1PR0102MB3519.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Hi,
I'm running Protege 5.2. on Ubuntu 16.04.
Every time I want to save my ontology, Protege stops running and I cannot do
anythig except for closing the program with the terminal. I have Java version "1.8.0_151".
Any advice?
Thank you very much.
Ale


From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 09:45:14 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (katetzaf)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:45:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
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This is really helpful,
 thank you so much!



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From csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu  Tue Mar  6 10:12:37 2018
From: csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu (Csongor Nyulas)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:12:37 -0800
Subject: [protege-user] Problem by saving - Protege5 Ubuntu16.04.
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR0102MB3519275CE82E999BDB2B4006F9D90@VI1PR0102MB3519.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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How much memory have you allocated to Protege? (You can find this on the 
terminal window where Protege runs, in the logs, or through the Help -> 
About menu)
How big is your ontology?
Does Protege have difficulty loading the ontology?
Do you see the Protege java process being stuck in the System Monitor 
(or running top)?
Do you have write permission in the directory where you try to save your 
ontology?
Is it possible that you are trying to do "Save as" (or you did not open 
an ontology from a location that it is writable for you), and there is a 
pop-up window that should appear, but that window is not visible? 
Sometimes pop-up windows appear outside of the currently visible screen 
(e.g. on a screen that was visible at some point, but it is not any 
more). You can use ALT+SPACE to get access to the menu of such windows, 
and you can move them to the visible area of your desktop.

I hope that some of this will give you a clue to fix the problem you 
encounter.
Csongor

On 03/06/2018 08:50 AM, Ale B wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm running Protege 5.2. on Ubuntu 16.04.
> Every time I want to save my ontology, Protege stops running and I cannot do
> anythig except for closing the program with the terminal. I have Java version "1.8.0_151".
> Any advice?
> Thank you very much.
> Ale
>
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From sunid at stanford.edu  Tue Mar  6 11:22:54 2018
From: sunid at stanford.edu (Martin O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 19:22:54 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
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Note that SPARQL is an RDF-based language. It has no native understanding of OWL (though some extensions of it recognize a small number of OWL axiom types).

It typically operates on OWL ontologies at the RDF serialization level only - and will happily allow you (via its CONSTRUCT clause) to produce semantically invalid assertions.

The deeper question here is whether OWL is a suitable representation language for your application. Open world reasoning is baked into the language. Effort is required to allow it to coexist with a closed world reasoning mechanisms.

See the following, for example:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320169190_C-SWRL_A_Unique_Semantic_Web_Framework_for_Reasoning_Over_Stream_Data

Martin

On Mar 6, 2018, at 7:13 AM, Michael DeBellis <mdebellissf at gmail.com<mailto:mdebellissf at gmail.com>> wrote:

"So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege?"

I don't know all the plugins so I can't say for sure. But you can definitely do non-monotonic reasoning with OWL ontologies (which of course is what Protege creates). You just can't do so in SWRL. For example, I think SPARQL besides doing queries can also (it's sort of the SQL of the semantic web) assert new data into the ontology and I think that data can be non-monotonic. Or you can write Java programs that access the data and of course you can certainly do non-monotonic reasoning that way.

"Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology modification?
There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as variables
in my SWRL rules?"

SWRL supports ontology modification, just not non-monotonic reasoning. SWRL is actually incredibly powerful and you can do a lot with it once you get comfortable with it. If you have ever programmed in Prolog it kind of has that feel to it only (just my personal opinion) I find SWRL to be more intuitive than Prolog. If you know some First Order Logic SWRL is very much like programming in FOL which for the right problem can be extremely elegant and powerful. You can't use SQWRL built-ins except to query the ontology (so no you can't use them in SWRL rules that modify the ontology) but there are a lot of SWRL built-ins for Time, Math, string manipulation,... see:  https://www.w3.org/Submission/SWRL/#8  As I said above, I think SPARQL can do non-monotonic reasoning but I've never used it except to do some sample queries and understand the basic syntax. Also, FYI, the basic SPARQL plugin that comes with Protege has some limitations as I understand it. If you use SPARQL you might want to check out a different more complete implementation. If you go that route you might want to check out the book: Learning SPARQL by Bob DuCharme.

I developed a very basic SWRL tutorial that you might want to take a look at: http://symbolicshacker.blogspot.com/2017/06/swrl-process-modeling-tutorial.html  This is just something I did to provide a very basic intro to SWRL. It's not part of the official Protege materials so if you do use it and have questions please just address them directly to me: mdebellissf at gmail.com<mailto:mdebellissf at gmail.com> rather than the whole group. I usually check my email very frequently so I should respond in a day if you have questions on the tutorial. But I would really recommend looking at Java or Python and how to write objects that manipulate the ontology as described in those books I mentioned in a previous message. Good luck!

Michael


On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:37 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com<mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank you for explaining this to me.
So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege? I only found a
NoHR plugin but not sure what it can do,
Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology modification?
There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as variables
in my SWRL rules?
If it's No to all the above then I possibly need to find some other
methodology and tool or  to 'compromise' my model to a monotonic reasoning;
but this will make it loose much of its usefulness and functionality I
guess.



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From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 12:14:05 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (katetzaf)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:14:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
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Martin I found the example's full paper and indeed it seems really close to
my application logic. 
Actually what i am trying to do is to create an ontology-based user model
(similar to the learner model). The difference is that i want to use some
rule based reasoning to assign/add new values (e.g. "low", "high",
True/False, etc.) to the individuals' (i.e. users) assigned data properties.
These assignments will be used to represent my final owl user ontology.
SWRL seems to work to some level. But now, as I see i need some non
monotonic reasoning since i want my values be updated in every session of
the user-system interaction. I also need to use some sparql query results to
build my rules on.
Holding multiple values (by using swrl) will might be confusing for my
model's final composition.
Things seem a bit more clear to me now, thank you!



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From mimran646 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 12:20:28 2018
From: mimran646 at gmail.com (mimran)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:20:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
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Thanks Michael and Lorenz for your valuable comments. As Michael said, I
actually expect some numbers as a result of the query (dimension of the part
in my case) which does not seem possible through DL query. 

@Lorenz Does the SNAP SPARQL query support querying SWRL based inferences?
Because, I would also require some inference rules to model my ontology.
Also, if you can please refer me to some tutorials or help material related
to SNAP SPARQL as I could only found one relevant paper.  

Thanks. 

Imran





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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Tue Mar  6 23:56:52 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 08:56:52 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
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AFAIK, it does use the reasoner which you selected in Protege to do the
entailment part, thus, if you're using Pellet it might work. Matthew
Horridge knows better, he's the developer of it.? I don't think that
there is a tutorial because it's just a view where you can run SPARQL
queries and implicitly the OWL reasoner is used (to some extend) during
query evaluation following SPARQL 1.1 entailment regime definition.

Can't you simply try it out with your ontology? The SPARQL query would
be pretty trivial.

On 06.03.2018 21:20, mimran wrote:
> Thanks Michael and Lorenz for your valuable comments. As Michael said, I
> actually expect some numbers as a result of the query (dimension of the part
> in my case) which does not seem possible through DL query. 
>
> @Lorenz Does the SNAP SPARQL query support querying SWRL based inferences?
> Because, I would also require some inference rules to model my ontology.
> Also, if you can please refer me to some tutorials or help material related
> to SNAP SPARQL as I could only found one relevant paper.  
>
> Thanks. 
>
> Imran
>
>
>
>
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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Tue Mar  6 23:59:58 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 08:59:58 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
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> As I said above, I think SPARQL can do non-monotonic reasoning but
> I've never used it except to do some sample queries and understand the
> basic syntax. Also, FYI, the basic SPARQL plugin that comes with
> Protege has some limitations as I understand it. If you use SPARQL you
> might want to check out a different more complete implementation. If
> you go that route you might want to check out the book:?Learning
> SPARQL by Bob?DuCharme.?
>
You can only modify an ontology if SPARQL 1.1 Update (INSERT, DELETE)
would be supported, which is, afaik, not the case in Protege.


On 06.03.2018 16:13, Michael DeBellis wrote:
> "So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege?"
>
> I don't know all the plugins so I can't say for sure. But you can
> definitely do non-monotonic reasoning with OWL ontologies (which of
> course is what Protege creates). You just can't do so in SWRL. For
> example, I think SPARQL besides doing queries can also (it's sort of
> the SQL of the semantic web) assert new data into the ontology and I
> think that data can be non-monotonic. Or you can write Java programs
> that access the data and of course you can certainly do non-monotonic
> reasoning that way.?
>
> "Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology modification?
> There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as
> variables
> in my SWRL rules?"
>
> SWRL supports ontology modification, just not non-monotonic reasoning.
> SWRL is actually incredibly powerful and you can do a lot with it once
> you get comfortable with it. If you have ever programmed in Prolog it
> kind of has that feel to it only (just my personal opinion) I find
> SWRL to be more intuitive than Prolog. If you know some First Order
> Logic SWRL is very much like programming in FOL which for the right
> problem can be extremely elegant and powerful. You can't use SQWRL
> built-ins except to query the ontology (so no you can't use them in
> SWRL rules that modify the ontology) but there are a lot of SWRL
> built-ins for Time, Math, string manipulation,...
> see:??https://www.w3.org/Submission/SWRL/#8? As I said above, I think
> SPARQL can do non-monotonic reasoning but I've never used it except to
> do some sample queries and understand the basic syntax. Also, FYI, the
> basic SPARQL plugin that comes with Protege has some limitations as I
> understand it. If you use SPARQL you might want to check out a
> different more complete implementation. If you go that route you might
> want to check out the book:?Learning SPARQL by Bob?DuCharme.?
>
> I developed a very basic SWRL tutorial that you might want to take a
> look
> at:?http://symbolicshacker.blogspot.com/2017/06/swrl-process-modeling-tutorial.html?
> This is just something I did to provide a very basic intro to SWRL.
> It's not part of the official Protege materials so if you do use it
> and have questions please just address them directly to me:
> mdebellissf at gmail.com <mailto:mdebellissf at gmail.com> rather than the
> whole group. I usually check my email very frequently so I should
> respond in a day if you have questions on the tutorial. But I would
> really recommend looking at Java or Python and how to write objects
> that manipulate the ontology as described in those books I mentioned
> in a previous message. Good luck!
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:37 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com
> <mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Thank you for explaining this to me.
>     So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege? I
>     only found a
>     NoHR plugin but not sure what it can do,
>     Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology modification?
>     There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as
>     variables
>     in my SWRL rules?
>     If it's No to all the above then I possibly need to find some other
>     methodology and tool or? to 'compromise' my model to a monotonic
>     reasoning;
>     but this will make it loose much of its usefulness and functionality I
>     guess.
>
>
>
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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Wed Mar  7 00:02:57 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 09:02:57 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
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Regarding non-monotonic reasoning, SPARQL can do a lots of things,
right. Note, reasoning is only supported via Snap SPARQL. On the other
hand, the default SPARQL plugin supports full SPARQL 1.1 via RDF4J API.


On 07.03.2018 08:59, Lorenz Buehmann wrote:
>
>> As I said above, I think SPARQL can do non-monotonic reasoning but
>> I've never used it except to do some sample queries and understand
>> the basic syntax. Also, FYI, the basic SPARQL plugin that comes with
>> Protege has some limitations as I understand it. If you use SPARQL
>> you might want to check out a different more complete implementation.
>> If you go that route you might want to check out the book:?Learning
>> SPARQL by Bob?DuCharme.?
>>
> You can only modify an ontology if SPARQL 1.1 Update (INSERT, DELETE)
> would be supported, which is, afaik, not the case in Protege.
>
> On 06.03.2018 16:13, Michael DeBellis wrote:
>> "So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege?"
>>
>> I don't know all the plugins so I can't say for sure. But you can
>> definitely do non-monotonic reasoning with OWL ontologies (which of
>> course is what Protege creates). You just can't do so in SWRL. For
>> example, I think SPARQL besides doing queries can also (it's sort of
>> the SQL of the semantic web) assert new data into the ontology and I
>> think that data can be non-monotonic. Or you can write Java programs
>> that access the data and of course you can certainly do non-monotonic
>> reasoning that way.?
>>
>> "Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology modification?
>> There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as
>> variables
>> in my SWRL rules?"
>>
>> SWRL supports ontology modification, just not non-monotonic
>> reasoning. SWRL is actually incredibly powerful and you can do a lot
>> with it once you get comfortable with it. If you have ever programmed
>> in Prolog it kind of has that feel to it only (just my personal
>> opinion) I find SWRL to be more intuitive than Prolog. If you know
>> some First Order Logic SWRL is very much like programming in FOL
>> which for the right problem can be extremely elegant and powerful.
>> You can't use SQWRL built-ins except to query the ontology (so no you
>> can't use them in SWRL rules that modify the ontology) but there are
>> a lot of SWRL built-ins for Time, Math, string manipulation,...
>> see:??https://www.w3.org/Submission/SWRL/#8? As I said above, I think
>> SPARQL can do non-monotonic reasoning but I've never used it except
>> to do some sample queries and understand the basic syntax. Also, FYI,
>> the basic SPARQL plugin that comes with Protege has some limitations
>> as I understand it. If you use SPARQL you might want to check out a
>> different more complete implementation. If you go that route you
>> might want to check out the book:?Learning SPARQL by Bob?DuCharme.?
>>
>> I developed a very basic SWRL tutorial that you might want to take a
>> look
>> at:?http://symbolicshacker.blogspot.com/2017/06/swrl-process-modeling-tutorial.html?
>> This is just something I did to provide a very basic intro to SWRL.
>> It's not part of the official Protege materials so if you do use it
>> and have questions please just address them directly to me:
>> mdebellissf at gmail.com <mailto:mdebellissf at gmail.com> rather than the
>> whole group. I usually check my email very frequently so I should
>> respond in a day if you have questions on the tutorial. But I would
>> really recommend looking at Java or Python and how to write objects
>> that manipulate the ontology as described in those books I mentioned
>> in a previous message. Good luck!
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:37 AM, katetzaf <katerinatzaf at gmail.com
>> <mailto:katerinatzaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Thank you for explaining this to me.
>>     So there is no way to use non monotonic reasoning in Protege? I
>>     only found a
>>     NoHR plugin but not sure what it can do,
>>     Is there anything similar to SWRL that supports ontology
>>     modification?
>>     There is no way to use SQWRL buit-ins (like average, max ect.) as
>>     variables
>>     in my SWRL rules?
>>     If it's No to all the above then I possibly need to find some other
>>     methodology and tool or? to 'compromise' my model to a monotonic
>>     reasoning;
>>     but this will make it loose much of its usefulness and
>>     functionality I
>>     guess.
>>
>>
>>
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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 05:59:58 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 05:59:58 -0800
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
In-Reply-To: <1520367628459-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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 <CALGFikevQgk1xLy2+Rg_hUAwOZAtw-VwvY_tZv5BBvni24n65g@mail.gmail.com>
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Mimran, I apologize if this may have been covered already. But if all you
want to do is to get info about data properties you can easily do that in
SWRL and SQWRL. SQWRL is an extension of SWRL to get info from the ontology
and also can be very helpful to test and debug rules.  Just note that
nothing in SQWRL can be asserted back into the ontology, but in SWRL things
can be asserted into the ontology.

Here is a small Car ontology I developed a while back as an example for
someone else a while back. I added a SQWRL rule called CarInfoRule:
Car(?x) ^ manufacturedOnDate(?x, ?d) -> sqwrl:select(?x, ?d)  when you run
this rule in SQWRL (go to the SQWRL tab, select the rule and click Run) it
should print out two rows of data for the two example cars in the ontology.
The car (which is bound to ?x) and the manufacturedOnDate (which is bound
to ?d).  manufacturedOnDate is a data property. I think you could do the
same kind of thing to get the part information from your ontology.

Note that it may include the name of the ontology as a prefix to each of
the names in the rule. It does that sometimes but it doesn't effect the
outcome. IMO SWRL and SQWRL are easier to use than SPARQL.

Michael

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:20 PM, mimran <mimran646 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Michael and Lorenz for your valuable comments. As Michael said, I
> actually expect some numbers as a result of the query (dimension of the
> part
> in my case) which does not seem possible through DL query.
>
> @Lorenz Does the SNAP SPARQL query support querying SWRL based inferences?
> Because, I would also require some inference rules to model my ontology.
> Also, if you can please refer me to some tutorials or help material related
> to SNAP SPARQL as I could only found one relevant paper.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Imran
>
>
>
>
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From cday at itidata.com  Wed Mar  7 11:11:58 2018
From: cday at itidata.com (Chris Day)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:11:58 -0000
Subject: [protege-user] Converting individuals/instances to class with
	Protege V5
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Hi -

 

I'm trying to find an approach to convert individuals/instances to classes

 

Back in 2008, Tania wrote a plugin for V3
http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Converting-individual-to-class-td98
68.html does anyone have a V5 compatible version of this ?

 

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From dipalitole at rediffmail.com  Thu Mar  8 04:57:11 2018
From: dipalitole at rediffmail.com (Dipali)
Date: 8 Mar 2018 12:57:11 -0000
Subject: [protege-user] =?utf-8?q?Plugin_for_NLP?=
Message-ID: <20180308125711.6757.qmail@f4mail-235-143.rediffmail.com>

Hello,All the plugin mentioned at below link are supporting prot&eacute;g&eacute; version below 5.0.https://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/Natural_Language_Processing&nbsp;Currently I am using Prot&eacute;g&eacute; 5.2 version.Can you please tell me the &nbsp;plugin which is supporting the Prot&eacute;g&eacute; latest version?&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks,Dipali&nbsp;
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From csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu  Thu Mar  8 11:05:49 2018
From: csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu (Csongor Nyulas)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:05:49 -0800
Subject: [protege-user] Plugin for NLP
In-Reply-To: <20180308125711.6757.qmail@f4mail-235-143.rediffmail.com>
References: <20180308125711.6757.qmail@f4mail-235-143.rediffmail.com>
Message-ID: <d2abb7a5-0247-eb02-0ec9-4a60ebfc84d4@stanford.edu>

Most publicly advertised plug-ins that are compatible with the latest 
version of Protege can be installed through Protege's automatic update 
mechanism (accessible through the File -> Check for plugins... menu). If 
you are looking for other plugins that are not in the list, you can try 
to install them manually, to see if they work, or you can contact the 
plug-in authors to see what is the status of upgrading those plug-ins 
for Protege 5.x.

Csongor


On 03/08/2018 04:57 AM, Dipali wrote:
> Hello,
>
> All the plugin mentioned at below link are supporting prot?g? version 
> below 5.0.
> https://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/Natural_Language_Processing
>
> Currently I am using Prot?g? 5.2 version.
> Can you please tell me the ?plugin which is supporting the Prot?g? 
> latest version?
>
> Thanks,
> Dipali
>
>
>
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From mimran646 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 03:05:54 2018
From: mimran646 at gmail.com (mimran)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 04:05:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
In-Reply-To: <CALGFikevPV=8rF0s2txLHdpjZi8rna_eQ_XnKxUVmD1DjvrxQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1520291902778-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikevQgk1xLy2+Rg_hUAwOZAtw-VwvY_tZv5BBvni24n65g@mail.gmail.com>
 <961b5495-815e-cc04-c87f-9cf06760637e@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <1520367628459-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1520593554039-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Michael, I really appreciate your useful comments on my queries. I saw you
car ontology and it perfectly runs as per your explanation in your previous
reply. I also tailored queries for my ontology and ran them on SQWRL and
they provided me expected results (you can see the attachments).

However, I want to make the rules as part of the ontology, so, I convert one
of the SQWRL query into SWRL rule (s1 rule in the pic). When I start the
reasoner (I am using HermiT1.3.8.413 reasoner and Protege 5.2 versions), it
gives me an error which reads: /An error occurred during reasoning: A SWRL
rule uses a built-in atom, but built-in atoms are not supported/. I think
the error is due to one of the SWRL built-ins (swrlb:add in my case) that I
used in the SWRL rule. I even, tried starting reasoner using your car
ontology and it gave me the same error. Do you know why it gives me this
error every time I start the reasoner.

Thanks.

Imran
Data_Property_Fact_Assertions.jpg
<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376752/Data_Property_Fact_Assertions.jpg>  

SQWRL_Query_for_Minimum_Allowable_Dimension.jpg
<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376752/SQWRL_Query_for_Minimum_Allowable_Dimension.jpg>  
 



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From sweera20 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 04:00:08 2018
From: sweera20 at yahoo.com (SaraSweidan)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 05:00:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] problem in saving ontology by fuzzyDL
Message-ID: <1520596808139-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376613/prob.png> 


please I need help this message appears to me when needs to save my ontology
with .fdl

thanks



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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Fri Mar  9 04:37:01 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 13:37:01 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
In-Reply-To: <1520593554039-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1520291902778-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikevQgk1xLy2+Rg_hUAwOZAtw-VwvY_tZv5BBvni24n65g@mail.gmail.com>
 <961b5495-815e-cc04-c87f-9cf06760637e@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <1520367628459-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikevPV=8rF0s2txLHdpjZi8rna_eQ_XnKxUVmD1DjvrxQQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1520593554039-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2ba33b3f-7b26-4bb2-d4a2-f06ef7b99a1c@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

The error message is clear. Remove the SWRL built-in atom or use a
different reasoner like Pellet.


On 09.03.2018 12:05, mimran wrote:
> Michael, I really appreciate your useful comments on my queries. I saw you
> car ontology and it perfectly runs as per your explanation in your previous
> reply. I also tailored queries for my ontology and ran them on SQWRL and
> they provided me expected results (you can see the attachments).
>
> However, I want to make the rules as part of the ontology, so, I convert one
> of the SQWRL query into SWRL rule (s1 rule in the pic). When I start the
> reasoner (I am using HermiT1.3.8.413 reasoner and Protege 5.2 versions), it
> gives me an error which reads: /An error occurred during reasoning: A SWRL
> rule uses a built-in atom, but built-in atoms are not supported/. I think
> the error is due to one of the SWRL built-ins (swrlb:add in my case) that I
> used in the SWRL rule. I even, tried starting reasoner using your car
> ontology and it gave me the same error. Do you know why it gives me this
> error every time I start the reasoner.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Imran
> Data_Property_Fact_Assertions.jpg
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376752/Data_Property_Fact_Assertions.jpg>  
>
> SQWRL_Query_for_Minimum_Allowable_Dimension.jpg
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376752/SQWRL_Query_for_Minimum_Allowable_Dimension.jpg>  
>  
>
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From swt at stanford.edu  Fri Mar  9 06:38:18 2018
From: swt at stanford.edu (Samson Tu)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:38:18 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] problem in saving ontology by fuzzyDL
In-Reply-To: <1520596808139-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1520596808139-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <E3FD4EBD-246B-458A-82BC-3D9B8B75AC05@stanford.edu>

Save the file in a folder where you have the permission to create files.

With best regards,
Samson


On Mar 9, 2018, at 4:00 AM, SaraSweidan <sweera20 at yahoo.com<mailto:sweera20 at yahoo.com>> wrote:

<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376613/prob.png>


please I need help this message appears to me when needs to save my ontology
with .fdl

thanks



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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 08:24:26 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:24:26 -0800
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
In-Reply-To: <1520593554039-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1520291902778-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikevQgk1xLy2+Rg_hUAwOZAtw-VwvY_tZv5BBvni24n65g@mail.gmail.com>
 <961b5495-815e-cc04-c87f-9cf06760637e@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <1520367628459-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikevPV=8rF0s2txLHdpjZi8rna_eQ_XnKxUVmD1DjvrxQQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1520593554039-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALGFikdwtg-uMu5OygQQgJ2pCDbvM6dc-L9u08agoYissn35Pw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not certain but I think the most likely reason is that you are using
Hermit as your reasoner. Sorry, I should have told you Pellet (at least in
my experience) works the best if you are going to use SWRL and SQWRL rules.
I think Hermit doesn't yet support all the SWRL builtins but Pellet should.
Try running Pellet -- you may need to load it, I think it's a plugin. And
let me know if that still doesn't work.

Michael

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:05 AM, mimran <mimran646 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael, I really appreciate your useful comments on my queries. I saw you
> car ontology and it perfectly runs as per your explanation in your previous
> reply. I also tailored queries for my ontology and ran them on SQWRL and
> they provided me expected results (you can see the attachments).
>
> However, I want to make the rules as part of the ontology, so, I convert
> one
> of the SQWRL query into SWRL rule (s1 rule in the pic). When I start the
> reasoner (I am using HermiT1.3.8.413 reasoner and Protege 5.2 versions), it
> gives me an error which reads: /An error occurred during reasoning: A SWRL
> rule uses a built-in atom, but built-in atoms are not supported/. I think
> the error is due to one of the SWRL built-ins (swrlb:add in my case) that I
> used in the SWRL rule. I even, tried starting reasoner using your car
> ontology and it gave me the same error. Do you know why it gives me this
> error every time I start the reasoner.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Imran
> Data_Property_Fact_Assertions.jpg
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376752/
> Data_Property_Fact_Assertions.jpg>
>
> SQWRL_Query_for_Minimum_Allowable_Dimension.jpg
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376752/
> SQWRL_Query_for_Minimum_Allowable_Dimension.jpg>
>
>
>
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From mimran646 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 11:40:33 2018
From: mimran646 at gmail.com (mimran)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 12:40:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Data Property Query in DL Query
In-Reply-To: <CALGFikdwtg-uMu5OygQQgJ2pCDbvM6dc-L9u08agoYissn35Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1520291902778-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikevQgk1xLy2+Rg_hUAwOZAtw-VwvY_tZv5BBvni24n65g@mail.gmail.com>
 <961b5495-815e-cc04-c87f-9cf06760637e@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <1520367628459-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikevPV=8rF0s2txLHdpjZi8rna_eQ_XnKxUVmD1DjvrxQQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1520710833060-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Michael and Lorenz.....Pellet reasoner works with SWRL built-ins.

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From matthew.horridge at stanford.edu  Mon Mar 12 09:53:20 2018
From: matthew.horridge at stanford.edu (Matthew Horridge)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 16:53:20 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Converting individuals/instances to class with
 Protege V5
In-Reply-To: <018101d3b648$2abcc070$80364150$@itidata.com>
References: <018101d3b648$2abcc070$80364150$@itidata.com>
Message-ID: <E1F185F5-8AF6-4520-BC80-33864FE3946A@stanford.edu>

Hi Chris,

As far as I know there is no such functionality in Protege 5, either in the core system or via a third party plugin.  I?ve added an issue for this in the Protege tracker,

https://github.com/protegeproject/protege/issues/762

Cheers,

Matthew



On 7 Mar 2018, at 11:11, Chris Day <cday at itidata.com<mailto:cday at itidata.com>> wrote:

Hi ?

I?m trying to find an approach to convert individuals/instances to classes

Back in 2008, Tania wrote a plugin for V3 http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Converting-individual-to-class-td9868.html does anyone have a V5 compatible version of this ?

Cheers

Chris


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From chernik97 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 04:26:03 2018
From: chernik97 at gmail.com (Ivan Chernikau)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 04:26:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Protege SWRL duplicates subproperties and subclasses
	values
Message-ID: <1520940363379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi all!

After execution following buttons on SWRLTab (or rule execution):
1. OWL+SWRL-> drools
2. run drools
3. drools -> owl

The result ontology contains duplication of data between subproperties
(ObjectProperties, DataProperties)
and subclasses.

Example of hierarchy for Data properties:

<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/Data_properties.jpg> 

Instance before execution:

<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/before_execution.jpg> 

Instance after execution:

<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/after_execution.jpg> 

It also occurs the hierarchy for ObjectProperties and Classes.

Example:
if class C is subclass of B and class B is subclass of A, then C is subclass
of B and A.

/*Question is:*/* is it possible to make data displayed without duplication
of
data between all hierarchy elements? is there any other plugin to write
rules without duplication?*




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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 07:01:25 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 07:01:25 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Protege SWRL duplicates subproperties and
 subclasses values
In-Reply-To: <1520940363379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1520940363379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALGFikcg_yG6jv_gKDMkV6v20mnj4DWSRd3pMwn=zh-5kEv3RA@mail.gmail.com>

Ivan, I don't think what you are seeing has anything to do with SWRL. I
think it's just a result of the way you've defined your properties.
Properties in OWL are not like Properties in OOP. In OOP a property is
always associated with a class. That doesn't have to be the case in OWL
where properties are first class concepts that can stand alone. Also, in
OOP you don't have the concept of properties subsuming each other. That's
because OWL is based on Description Logic which is a subset of First Order
Logic. So a property in OWL is like a relation in logic and just like a
relation one property can subsume another.

Here is an example of how I use that in my ontology that may make things
clear: I have the concept of an Event class and one of it's properties is
hasParticipant. hasParticipant has domain Event and range Agent, it's any
Agent that is involved in an Event. But hasResponsibleAgent is a
sub-property of hasParticipant. It is a relation that describes the Agent
who caused the Event and is responsible for it.   This means two things:
the domain and range of hasResponsibleAgent  must be the same as (or
subclasses of) the domain and range of hasParticipant. Also, it means that
any time I assert that an an Event hasResponsibleAgent (say Event E1
hasResponsibleAgent
A1) then E1 also hasParticipant A1.   I.e., if an Agent is the responsible
agent for an event then she must also be a participant of the event.

I think that is what's happening in your case. You've defined Data
Properties like cash and age to be sub properties of PersonProperties. So
when you say that the age of some individual is 21 the reasoner is
asserting that a PersonProperties value of that Person is also 21.   The
ability to have property hierarchies can be valuable if (as in my example
above) you actually want that behavior but if (which is more common) you
don't want that behavior you don't need to and probably shouldn't define
your data properties to be sup properties as you have.

I think the same is true for your class example. Classes in OWL are sets in
logic. If I say that the set Dog is a subset of Mammal and that Mammal is a
subset of Animal I'm also saying that Dog is a subset of Animal.

BTW, I had exactly the same confusing when I first started working with
properties in OWL because I had done a lot of OOP and was thinking of
properties as though they had to associated with some class. (Note that you
still can associate properties with a class by declaring their Domain). I'm
including a link that I found helpful that describes the differences
between objects in OWL and those in OOP.

https://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/SE/ODSD/

Michael

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:26 AM, Ivan Chernikau <chernik97 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> After execution following buttons on SWRLTab (or rule execution):
> 1. OWL+SWRL-> drools
> 2. run drools
> 3. drools -> owl
>
> The result ontology contains duplication of data between subproperties
> (ObjectProperties, DataProperties)
> and subclasses.
>
> Example of hierarchy for Data properties:
>
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/Data_properties.jpg
> >
>
> Instance before execution:
>
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/
> before_execution.jpg>
>
> Instance after execution:
>
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/after_execution.jpg
> >
>
> It also occurs the hierarchy for ObjectProperties and Classes.
>
> Example:
> if class C is subclass of B and class B is subclass of A, then C is
> subclass
> of B and A.
>
> /*Question is:*/* is it possible to make data displayed without duplication
> of
> data between all hierarchy elements? is there any other plugin to write
> rules without duplication?*
>
>
>
>
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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 07:37:38 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 07:37:38 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Protege SWRL duplicates subproperties and
 subclasses values
In-Reply-To: <1520940363379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1520940363379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALGFikfBgQqCv_N5ZU5tNumDA3vmYeuCyefSZ6ia6yRuimnGzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ivan, a couple other things you might find useful. I've developed a short
tutorial for SWRL:
http://symbolicshacker.blogspot.com/2017/06/swrl-process-modeling-tutorial.html
Also, on that same page I've added a PDF from a book. The book is
Mathematical Methods in Linguistics but the PDF is just the first chapter
which is a very good refresher on the basics of logic and set theory. That
link is at the bottom of the page above and is:   Partee, et. al. Basic
Concepts of Set Theory. If it's been a while since you studied the topic it
might be worth reading that chapter as a refresher.

Michael

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:26 AM, Ivan Chernikau <chernik97 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> After execution following buttons on SWRLTab (or rule execution):
> 1. OWL+SWRL-> drools
> 2. run drools
> 3. drools -> owl
>
> The result ontology contains duplication of data between subproperties
> (ObjectProperties, DataProperties)
> and subclasses.
>
> Example of hierarchy for Data properties:
>
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/Data_properties.jpg
> >
>
> Instance before execution:
>
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/
> before_execution.jpg>
>
> Instance after execution:
>
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/file/t376759/after_execution.jpg
> >
>
> It also occurs the hierarchy for ObjectProperties and Classes.
>
> Example:
> if class C is subclass of B and class B is subclass of A, then C is
> subclass
> of B and A.
>
> /*Question is:*/* is it possible to make data displayed without duplication
> of
> data between all hierarchy elements? is there any other plugin to write
> rules without duplication?*
>
>
>
>
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From chernik97 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 09:23:50 2018
From: chernik97 at gmail.com (Ivan Chernikau)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:23:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Protege SWRL duplicates subproperties and
	subclasses values
In-Reply-To: <CALGFikfBgQqCv_N5ZU5tNumDA3vmYeuCyefSZ6ia6yRuimnGzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1520940363379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikfBgQqCv_N5ZU5tNumDA3vmYeuCyefSZ6ia6yRuimnGzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1520958230543-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Michael,

thank you for providing so much details and explanation!
cheers!



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From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 04:40:36 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (katetzaf)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 04:40:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
In-Reply-To: <0ff097e2-3850-679c-8be0-75db35ebf433@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
References: <1520164348913-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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 <0ff097e2-3850-679c-8be0-75db35ebf433@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
Message-ID: <1521114036118-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hello again,

I am trying these days to modify my ontology via SPARQL. As i understood i
can build some 'update' queries to update data property values. Knowing SQL
it seems quite simple. 
However, snap sparql does not return any results for my concepts (only the
basic ones e.g. select...WHERE.. rdf:type owl:Class). Also, as Martin and
Michael mentioned the basic Sparql query tab has limitations and does not
'accept' any update queries (construct, insert)  nor any math functions
(e.g. COUNT(), AVG()).

Could you please provide me with some basic examples on how to use snap
sparql reasoning or SPARQL 1.1. using via RDF4J API?

Thank you,
Katerina



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From katerinatzaf at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 07:10:55 2018
From: katerinatzaf at gmail.com (katetzaf)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:10:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] assign a value to data property using swrl and
 retrive it using sqwrl
In-Reply-To: <1521114036118-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <64BEFC4E-E749-43ED-A9AB-A391CF2D0D39@stanford.edu>
 <CAJ+dUBu97dmQ=uW-coAp_XnT8_A-VKSk6uVEJvcYEu3ojvwx0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <F968BB29-3B80-4C07-9C37-D2D28E51C3E6@stanford.edu>
 <CAJ+dUBuGhJx4SfzA35=agLq-_H6SpSpdSGWfL8wkgVpp1u_Y4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALGFikesVR6Rg7P+XGFpYM1B1ouV9PVcN4yfniOtuv0qbHd-KA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1520347051964-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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 <7884a006-4f1b-36a2-4406-c2d2b06291f1@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <0ff097e2-3850-679c-8be0-75db35ebf433@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <1521114036118-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1521123055548-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

After reinstalling Protege snap sparql seems to work fine!
I can finally make modifications to my ontology!



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From sreekar.goutham.arg at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 06:17:21 2018
From: sreekar.goutham.arg at gmail.com (Goutham Sreekar A. R.)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:47:21 +0530
Subject: [protege-user] "swrlb:contains" built-in for named individuals
Message-ID: <CAG-C9gwgMScqiv+cUEnw_kK4G9GjdyfbffWMOTu_ppJ0w4fWDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Is there a way to convert the named individual of the ontology into a
string and search for a particular character using "swrlb:contains"
built-in? For example, I want the rule to be as follows:

swrlb:contains(namedIndividual:sreekar,"a") ->
hasCharacter(namedIndividual:sreekar,"a").

Thank you!

Sincerely,
A. R. Goutham Sreekar
Indian Institute of Technology Madras,
Chennai, India-600036.
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From razisyed4 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 11:10:16 2018
From: razisyed4 at gmail.com (RazaSyed)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:10:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Sparql Query not Working
Message-ID: <1521223816221-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

I have Created an ontology Which has Three Classes User Location and Task.

User has Instances  User1 and User2 
Location has Instances Roadside and Ground
Task has Instances Driving and Playing


I have Object Property HasLocation *Domain:User* *Range Location*  

Data property "Age"  Domain:User Range:Integer 


I want get the result by Querying that Which User is at Roadside and Which
User is atGround.

I try this Query as my prefix is user 
PREFIX User:<>
SELECT   ?individual   ?HasLocation ?Age 
    WHERE { ?individual  User:HasLocation "RoadSide". User:Age "20".}

But Sparql Runs and Shows no error. But also no no output only tabs of
Individual, HasLocation,Age.









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From razisyed4 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 23:45:19 2018
From: razisyed4 at gmail.com (RazaSyed)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 23:45:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Data properties of data objects
In-Reply-To: <trinity-703f78c9-731f-4ce8-8572-674f8778361e-1517059646455@3c-app-mailcom-lxa03>
References: <1516815026518-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1521269119187-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

What will be the Query For getting Location Frankfurt?



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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Sat Mar 17 02:47:12 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:47:12 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Data properties of data objects
In-Reply-To: <1521269119187-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1516815026518-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <4952ea1f-9381-d027-f59c-e528bfe65188@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

... wrong thread, or not?

And what is this for a question? Do we know your ontology? Wait, let me
guess

SELECT * {?s ?p <LocationFrankfurt>}

or maybe

PREFIX ex: <THE_NAMESPACE_OF_YOUR_ONTOLOGY_URIS>
SELECT * {ex:Frankfurt ex:location ?l }

or

...

hm, not sure - difficult...


On 17.03.2018 07:45, RazaSyed wrote:
> What will be the Query For getting Location Frankfurt?
>
>
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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Sat Mar 17 02:50:12 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:50:12 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Sparql Query not Working
In-Reply-To: <1521223816221-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1521223816221-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f976560b-ac07-fe1d-cd38-ed222834792f@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

Answered on Stackoverflow [1]

By the way, it MUST show exceptions, this query is illegal syntax.


[1]
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49326473/kindly-help-in-sparql-query-for-getting-individual

On 16.03.2018 19:10, RazaSyed wrote:
> I have Created an ontology Which has Three Classes User Location and Task.
>
> User has Instances  User1 and User2 
> Location has Instances Roadside and Ground
> Task has Instances Driving and Playing
>
>
> I have Object Property HasLocation *Domain:User* *Range Location*  
>
> Data property "Age"  Domain:User Range:Integer 
>
>
> I want get the result by Querying that Which User is at Roadside and Which
> User is atGround.
>
> I try this Query as my prefix is user 
> PREFIX User:<>
> SELECT   ?individual   ?HasLocation ?Age 
>     WHERE { ?individual  User:HasLocation "RoadSide". User:Age "20".}
>
> But Sparql Runs and Shows no error. But also no no output only tabs of
> Individual, HasLocation,Age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From wdduncan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 08:33:52 2018
From: wdduncan at gmail.com (Bill Duncan)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:33:52 -0400
Subject: [protege-user] Protege multiple equivalentTo axioms vs union of
	axioms
Message-ID: <CAM2Eo-c9vRn9Z8j4x0is2KNsnLq=eYgvK+hAYyCrsNPQ8Kv5kw@mail.gmail.com>

I posted this on Stackoverflow:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49210547/protege-multiple-equivalentto-axioms-vs-union-of-axioms

But I didn't understand the comments.

Can you help?

Here's what I posted:

I am trying to understand the difference between using multiple
equivalentTo axioms and using a union (i.e., disjunction) of those axioms.
I have set up a toy ontology with this structure:
```
  Class_A
   - Class_A.1
  Class_B
  Class_C
  Class_D
   - Class_D.1
```
with an object property named `has_part`.

`Class_A.1` is defined using the equivalence axiom:
```
  EquivalentTo
  (Class_A and (has_part some Class_B)) or (Class_A and (has_part some
Class_C))
```

`Class_D1` is defined using two equivalence axioms:
```
  EquivalentTo
  Class_D and (has_part some Class_B)
```
```
  EquivalentTo
  Class_D and (has_part some Class_C)
```

Using HermiT 1.3.8.413, I execute the DL Query `has_part some Class_B`.
This returns subclass `Class_D.1`, which makes sense.

However, I do not understand why `Class_A.1` was not returned. I thought
since the equivalence axioms for `Class_A.1` was a disjunction, it was be
subsumed by the `has_part some Class_B` disjunct.
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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 13:51:36 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 13:51:36 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Problem installing Protege on Windows 10
Message-ID: <CALGFikenkuAyaFZBw0g01WvvgD9=gNFAKQs8+y7vX2QqkWr5-g@mail.gmail.com>

I just bought an HP All in One desktop. It's 64 bit running Windows 10 Home
Version 1709 OS Build 16299.309  12GB RAM 1TB hard drive (with almost all
of it free). I downloaded the Protege Windows version and everything seemed
to work. Then after I opened Protege I selected to download the Pellet and
SWRLTab plugins. That seemed to work and I got the standard "updates will
take effect next time you open Protege".

Then I closed Protege and opened it again to have the plugins. But when I
click on the Protege icon I see a swirling blue circle and then nothing
happens. When I bring up the Task manager (haven't worked in Windows in a
long time, but at least I remembered cntl-alt-delete) I don't even see a
Protege task in the Task manager. I can't really share any error logs
because for some reason I don't think it's even getting to that point. I've
tried this several times and have tried both rebooting and completely
shutting down and restarting the computer and still the same behavior.

Should I try uninstalling and reinstalling or something else?

Michael
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From razisyed4 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 14:13:24 2018
From: razisyed4 at gmail.com (Razi Syed)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 02:13:24 +0500
Subject: [protege-user] Problem installing Protege on Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <CALGFikenkuAyaFZBw0g01WvvgD9=gNFAKQs8+y7vX2QqkWr5-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGFikenkuAyaFZBw0g01WvvgD9=gNFAKQs8+y7vX2QqkWr5-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=E5wnhumSAnFsgjcN79JfTpxdVU7_13rXj8bEprWmU8WzYCw@mail.gmail.com>

Kindly Run it From Batch File (run.exe)

?

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On 18 March 2018 at 01:51, Michael DeBellis <mdebellissf at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just bought an HP All in One desktop. It's 64 bit running Windows 10
> Home Version 1709 OS Build 16299.309  12GB RAM 1TB hard drive (with almost
> all of it free). I downloaded the Protege Windows version and everything
> seemed to work. Then after I opened Protege I selected to download the
> Pellet and SWRLTab plugins. That seemed to work and I got the standard
> "updates will take effect next time you open Protege".
>
> Then I closed Protege and opened it again to have the plugins. But when I
> click on the Protege icon I see a swirling blue circle and then nothing
> happens. When I bring up the Task manager (haven't worked in Windows in a
> long time, but at least I remembered cntl-alt-delete) I don't even see a
> Protege task in the Task manager. I can't really share any error logs
> because for some reason I don't think it's even getting to that point. I've
> tried this several times and have tried both rebooting and completely
> shutting down and restarting the computer and still the same behavior.
>
> Should I try uninstalling and reinstalling or something else?
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 14:40:52 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:40:52 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Problem installing Protege on Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <CAH=E5wnhumSAnFsgjcN79JfTpxdVU7_13rXj8bEprWmU8WzYCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGFikenkuAyaFZBw0g01WvvgD9=gNFAKQs8+y7vX2QqkWr5-g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH=E5wnhumSAnFsgjcN79JfTpxdVU7_13rXj8bEprWmU8WzYCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGFikcEqD55G_1ok9LvBkh-3p=vrrGeAAORHRcsGKmBk09TCA@mail.gmail.com>

That worked. Thanks.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Razi Syed <razisyed4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Kindly Run it From Batch File (run.exe)
>
> ?
>
>
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> <#m_8994679289633915818_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> Thanks
>
> Best Regards
>
> Syed Muhammad Raza
>
> On 18 March 2018 at 01:51, Michael DeBellis <mdebellissf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just bought an HP All in One desktop. It's 64 bit running Windows 10
>> Home Version 1709 OS Build 16299.309  12GB RAM 1TB hard drive (with almost
>> all of it free). I downloaded the Protege Windows version and everything
>> seemed to work. Then after I opened Protege I selected to download the
>> Pellet and SWRLTab plugins. That seemed to work and I got the standard
>> "updates will take effect next time you open Protege".
>>
>> Then I closed Protege and opened it again to have the plugins. But when I
>> click on the Protege icon I see a swirling blue circle and then nothing
>> happens. When I bring up the Task manager (haven't worked in Windows in a
>> long time, but at least I remembered cntl-alt-delete) I don't even see a
>> Protege task in the Task manager. I can't really share any error logs
>> because for some reason I don't think it's even getting to that point. I've
>> tried this several times and have tried both rebooting and completely
>> shutting down and restarting the computer and still the same behavior.
>>
>> Should I try uninstalling and reinstalling or something else?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> protege-user mailing list
>> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>>
>>
>
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From shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 04:04:23 2018
From: shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com (Shreyas)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 04:04:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
Message-ID: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hello,

I am currently working on developing an information model in engineering
domain. For ease of instantiation into ontology, I am trying to use Cellfie
plugin. I am trying to actually read object properties from spreadsheet as
well, but I am stuck due to limitations of cellfie plugin. Does anyone have
a work around to do the same?

Thanks,
Shreyas



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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Sun Mar 18 05:44:31 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:44:31 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Protege multiple equivalentTo axioms vs union of
 axioms
In-Reply-To: <CAM2Eo-c9vRn9Z8j4x0is2KNsnLq=eYgvK+hAYyCrsNPQ8Kv5kw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2Eo-c9vRn9Z8j4x0is2KNsnLq=eYgvK+hAYyCrsNPQ8Kv5kw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3739019-9ad5-5ac6-1bb3-0aacfb2622ae@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

You got an answer there based on a simpler example:

A EquivalentTo B OR C

is syntactic sugar for

A SubClassOf (B OR C)

and

(B OR C) SubClassOf A .


The important part for your query is that

A SubClassOf (B OR C)

does **not** entail

A SubClassOf B

nor does it entail

A SubClassOf C


Saying

Person SubClassOf Male OR Female

clearly can't lead to

Person SubClassOf Male (resp. Female)


You can map this to your example, the reason remains the same. It's the
set-based semantics of OWL resp. the underlying description logic SROIQ.


Lorenz


On 17.03.2018 16:33, Bill Duncan wrote:
> I posted this on Stackoverflow:?
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49210547/protege-multiple-equivalentto-axioms-vs-union-of-axioms
>
> But I didn't understand the comments.
>
> Can you help?
>
> Here's what I posted:
>
> I am trying to understand the difference between using multiple
> equivalentTo axioms and using a union (i.e., disjunction) of those
> axioms. I have set up a toy ontology with this structure:
> ```
> ? Class_A
> ? ?- Class_A.1
> ? Class_B
> ? Class_C
> ? Class_D
> ? ?- Class_D.1
> ```
> with an object property named `has_part`.
>
> `Class_A.1` is defined using the equivalence axiom:
> ```
> ? EquivalentTo
> ? (Class_A and (has_part some Class_B)) or (Class_A and (has_part some
> Class_C))
> ```
>
> `Class_D1` is defined using two equivalence axioms:
> ```
> ? EquivalentTo
> ? Class_D and (has_part some Class_B)
> ```
> ```
> ? EquivalentTo
> ? Class_D and (has_part some Class_C)
> ```
>
> Using HermiT 1.3.8.413, I execute the DL Query `has_part some Class_B`.
> This returns subclass `Class_D.1`, which makes sense.
>
> However, I do not understand why `Class_A.1` was not returned. I
> thought since the equivalence axioms for `Class_A.1` was a
> disjunction, it was be subsumed by the `has_part some Class_B` disjunct.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user

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From tayyabbhatti156 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 06:34:09 2018
From: tayyabbhatti156 at gmail.com (Tayyab Bhatti)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:34:09 +0500
Subject: [protege-user] Sparql Query in jena fuseki working but not working
 in original protege file.
Message-ID: <CAD7oBT8gPG0cmWgL_GkoqUYez4vW7j-RrcMWrS0n=Y801d2Lwg@mail.gmail.com>

Respected Sir,

I am working on semantic web project. I am using jena fuseki server to
query triples.

I used insert and update query  which is showing succeed in jena fuseki ,
and it is manipulating in the jena fuseki. The results after the query in
the jena fuseki is also correct but the same changes are not done in
protege file.

The screenshot before query.

The screenshot after query , showing succeed

The screenshot of the result which is also correct

But when I open the original protege file which is uploaded in the dataset.
There are no changes made.

Screenshot of protege file.


Please help me regarding this.

Kind regards,
TAYYAB ISMAIL BHATTI
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From tayyabbhatti156 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 15:30:15 2018
From: tayyabbhatti156 at gmail.com (Tayyab Bhatti)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 03:30:15 +0500
Subject: [protege-user] Mailman privacy alert
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1521379601.6375.protege-dev@lists.stanford.edu>
References: <mailman.0.1521379601.6375.protege-dev@lists.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAD7oBT8AFQydHsfV=Uga_ocEFkJVXuStFCON2VMHKfu8J_F1iA@mail.gmail.com>

Respected Sir,

I am using protege to query rdf triples. My insert , update and delete
query are working fine in Jena Fuseki Server which has a option to change
SPARQL Endpoint.

I am trying to execute queries in SPARQL Query tab of *Protege* but only
SELECT query is working there. When I run same INSERT Query which was
working in Jena Fuseki Server  in *Protege Desktop *it shows error. Is
there any option to change SPARQL Endpoint in Protege which sends the query
to different endpoint?

*I want to run insert , update and delete queries in protege.*

SELECT Query working in Protege (SCREENSHOT)

INSERT Query not working in Protege (SCREENSHOT).



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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Mon Mar 19 00:27:33 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:27:33 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Sparql Query in jena fuseki working but not
 working in original protege file.
In-Reply-To: <CAD7oBT8gPG0cmWgL_GkoqUYez4vW7j-RrcMWrS0n=Y801d2Lwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD7oBT8gPG0cmWgL_GkoqUYez4vW7j-RrcMWrS0n=Y801d2Lwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9133cb9c-5a0d-5bbc-f4d3-7c35442bb694@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

Already answered on Stackoverflow...

You load the file in Fuseki into an in-memory model M, that means,
changes are only applied to M but not reflected to the file. This
perfectly makes sense as otherwise you'd always have some IO. You have
to write the Fuseki model M back to disk.


On 18.03.2018 14:34, Tayyab Bhatti wrote:
> Respected Sir,
>
> I am working on semantic web project. I am using jena fuseki server to
> query triples.?
>
> I used insert and update query? which is showing succeed in jena
> fuseki , and it is manipulating in the jena fuseki. The results after
> the query in the jena fuseki is also correct but the same changes are
> not done in protege file.
>
> The screenshot before query.
>
> The screenshot after query , showing succeed?
>
> The screenshot of the result which is also correct
>
> But when I open the original protege file which is uploaded in the
> dataset. There are no changes made.
>
> Screenshot of protege file.
>
>
> Please help me regarding this.
>
> Kind regards,
> TAYYAB ISMAIL BHATTI
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
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From elgamersitoing at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 03:04:29 2018
From: elgamersitoing at gmail.com (elgamersitom)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 03:04:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Importing Ontology that have imports
Message-ID: <1521453869451-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi,
I'm working with prot?g? 5.2, I want to develop an upper ontology and then
use it in a domain-specific ontology.

For the upper ontology I import 6 ontologies from other files and call it
mContext. Then for the domain-specific ontology I want to import mContext
and use it to generate complementary classes. The thing is that with the
import assistant on the last step there doesn't appear any direction and not
ontology is imported.
I tried making mContext with only one import and it doesn't work, but if I
don?t import any ontology and only put one class on the mContext the import
assistant works perfectly. I also create a mContext merged ontology and it
works but it's not a good solution because i need the resources to be
independent.

Here
<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Imported-Ontology-td4667171.html> 
and  here
<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Ontology-Import-td4662050.html>  ,
users solve it but don?t work for me.

I tried saving the domain-specific ontology in the same folder and
registering it on the catalog... doesn?t work :(

Any ideas?



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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 10:22:00 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:22:00 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
In-Reply-To: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALGFikc8_s4V4Joksn+5qHphgjd5aiHAVxan0obfJ_e75dbKSA@mail.gmail.com>

Shreyas, did you do the Celfie tutorial first?
https://github.com/protegeproject/cellfie-plugin/wiki/Grocery-Tutorial

It's hard for us to give you much feedback based on what you said in your
message. What exactly are you trying to do and what error message are you
getting?

Michael

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 4:04 AM, Shreyas <shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am currently working on developing an information model in engineering
> domain. For ease of instantiation into ontology, I am trying to use Cellfie
> plugin. I am trying to actually read object properties from spreadsheet as
> well, but I am stuck due to limitations of cellfie plugin. Does anyone have
> a work around to do the same?
>
> Thanks,
> Shreyas
>
>
>
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From tayyabbhatti156 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 12:14:52 2018
From: tayyabbhatti156 at gmail.com (Tayyab Bhatti)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:14:52 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Protege problem
Message-ID: <CAD7oBT_1pNpnSFD=x+9PG6M1T5gk6vxYS0Apq2JvcXXK=LzwQA@mail.gmail.com>

Sir,

I searched the stackoverflow and did the same making TDB dataset which
stores everything but still changes in protege file are not visible.

Kind regards,
TAYYAB BHATTI
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From swt at stanford.edu  Mon Mar 19 14:18:57 2018
From: swt at stanford.edu (Samson Tu)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:18:57 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Importing Ontology that have imports
In-Reply-To: <1521453869451-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1521453869451-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B15E2336-B488-48EC-86F3-FC90270FC4A1@stanford.edu>

Hi,

It?s difficult to understand and debug your difficulty without more specific information. Ideally, you should provide your ontologies so that other can replicate the problem and perhaps pinpoint its source.

With best regards,
Samson
On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:04 AM, elgamersitom <elgamersitoing at gmail.com<mailto:elgamersitoing at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
I'm working with prot?g? 5.2, I want to develop an upper ontology and then
use it in a domain-specific ontology.

For the upper ontology I import 6 ontologies from other files and call it
mContext. Then for the domain-specific ontology I want to import mContext
and use it to generate complementary classes. The thing is that with the
import assistant on the last step there doesn't appear any direction and not
ontology is imported.
I tried making mContext with only one import and it doesn't work, but if I
don?t import any ontology and only put one class on the mContext the import
assistant works perfectly. I also create a mContext merged ontology and it
works but it's not a good solution because i need the resources to be
independent.

Here
<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Imported-Ontology-td4667171.html>
and  here
<http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Ontology-Import-td4662050.html>  ,
users solve it but don?t work for me.

I tried saving the domain-specific ontology in the same folder and
registering it on the catalog... doesn?t work :(

Any ideas?



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From csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu  Mon Mar 19 20:31:45 2018
From: csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu (Csongor Nyulas)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 20:31:45 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Importing Ontology that have imports
In-Reply-To: <B15E2336-B488-48EC-86F3-FC90270FC4A1@stanford.edu>
References: <1521453869451-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <B15E2336-B488-48EC-86F3-FC90270FC4A1@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <eeb6ce1b-fc52-dfff-519a-e8859e84ff3a@stanford.edu>

Also, you say that it works for others (which it should), but not for 
you. So I assume there is some problem with your configuration, most 
likely your catalog.

Why don't you try to move all the ontologies that you want to work with 
in a new folder and try it to load it from there.

Csongor



On 03/19/2018 02:18 PM, Samson Tu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It?s difficult to understand and debug your difficulty without more 
> specific information. Ideally, you should provide your ontologies so 
> that other can replicate the problem and perhaps pinpoint its source.
>
> /With best regards,/
> /Samson/
>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:04 AM, elgamersitom <elgamersitoing at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:elgamersitoing at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I'm working with prot?g? 5.2, I want to develop an upper ontology and 
>> then
>> use it in a domain-specific ontology.
>>
>> For the upper ontology I import 6 ontologies from other files and call it
>> mContext. Then for the domain-specific ontology I want to import mContext
>> and use it to generate complementary classes. The thing is that with the
>> import assistant on the last step there doesn't appear any direction 
>> and not
>> ontology is imported.
>> I tried making mContext with only one import and it doesn't work, but 
>> if I
>> don?t import any ontology and only put one class on the mContext the 
>> import
>> assistant works perfectly. I also create a mContext merged ontology 
>> and it
>> works but it's not a good solution because i need the resources to be
>> independent.
>>
>> Here
>> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Imported-Ontology-td4667171.html> 
>>
>> and ?here
>> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Ontology-Import-td4662050.html> 
>> ?,
>> users solve it but don?t work for me.
>>
>> I tried saving the domain-specific ontology in the same folder and
>> registering it on the catalog... doesn?t work :(
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Tue Mar 20 02:20:26 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:20:26 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Protege problem
In-Reply-To: <CAD7oBT_1pNpnSFD=x+9PG6M1T5gk6vxYS0Apq2JvcXXK=LzwQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD7oBT_1pNpnSFD=x+9PG6M1T5gk6vxYS0Apq2JvcXXK=LzwQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <097e730c-6e2d-df54-20e5-6f0ffe4ff2a8@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

I already answered this in your previous email, but you didn't reply...

Again, this does **not** work. Last time you used Fuseki with an
in-memory - this time you say you're using TDB. This doesn't change
anything. TDB is a proper RDF database, if you change something via
SPARQL 1.1 Update queries, then only the data in TDB are modified. Do
you understand this?

data --load--> database


Modifications will be done against the database, not the file. The
database and the file are totally different things.

If you're loading e.g. a CSV file into a MySQL database and modifiy the
data in the database, is the file changed or the database? Right, the
database.

Conclusion, whatever you're doing it doesn't work as you hope. After
each modification you'd have to dump the database (TDB in your case) to
disk into the same file. That's the only way.

It would be good if you reply to this thread this time...


Lorenz

On 19.03.2018 20:14, Tayyab Bhatti wrote:
> Sir,
>
> I searched the stackoverflow and did the same making TDB dataset which
> stores everything but still changes in protege file are not visible.
>
> Kind regards,?
> TAYYAB BHATTI



From elgamersitoing at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 02:32:38 2018
From: elgamersitoing at gmail.com (Cristian Narvaez)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:32:38 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Importing Ontology that have imports
In-Reply-To: <eeb6ce1b-fc52-dfff-519a-e8859e84ff3a@stanford.edu>
References: <1521453869451-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <B15E2336-B488-48EC-86F3-FC90270FC4A1@stanford.edu>
 <eeb6ce1b-fc52-dfff-519a-e8859e84ff3a@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAC0TTk8UyQkSZmNRYzGBA7oGMz4ukMzye4cnmmPx+U=kNEhD6w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Well i tried moving all the ontologies on the same folder but that doesn't
work, finally what is working is:
1- Create the domain ontology.
2- Load upper-ontology in the same work space *File>open>same window option*
.
3- Go back to the domain ontology.
4- Import the upper-ontology in the domain ontology with the option "Import
ontology already in work space"
5- Then, as you say, I edit the catalog with the *File>Edit active ontology
catalog* and added the folder containing all the ontologies.

The last step was necesary because if you close prot?g? and open the domain
ontology the system will ask for the ontologies location (each time).

Hope this helps someone out there!

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2018-03-20 4:31 GMT+01:00 Csongor Nyulas <csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu>:

> Also, you say that it works for others (which it should), but not for you.
> So I assume there is some problem with your configuration, most likely your
> catalog.
>
> Why don't you try to move all the ontologies that you want to work with in
> a new folder and try it to load it from there.
>
> Csongor
>
>
>
>
> On 03/19/2018 02:18 PM, Samson Tu wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It?s difficult to understand and debug your difficulty without more
> specific information. Ideally, you should provide your ontologies so that
> other can replicate the problem and perhaps pinpoint its source.
>
> *With best regards,*
> *Samson*
>
> On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:04 AM, elgamersitom <elgamersitoing at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm working with prot?g? 5.2, I want to develop an upper ontology and then
> use it in a domain-specific ontology.
>
> For the upper ontology I import 6 ontologies from other files and call it
> mContext. Then for the domain-specific ontology I want to import mContext
> and use it to generate complementary classes. The thing is that with the
> import assistant on the last step there doesn't appear any direction and
> not
> ontology is imported.
> I tried making mContext with only one import and it doesn't work, but if I
> don?t import any ontology and only put one class on the mContext the import
> assistant works perfectly. I also create a mContext merged ontology and it
> works but it's not a good solution because i need the resources to be
> independent.
>
> Here
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Imported-Ontology-td4667171.html>
>
> and  here
> <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Ontology-Import-td4662050.html>
>  ,
> users solve it but don?t work for me.
>
> I tried saving the domain-specific ontology in the same folder and
> registering it on the catalog... doesn?t work :(
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
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From tayyabbhatti156 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 09:15:05 2018
From: tayyabbhatti156 at gmail.com (Tayyab Bhatti)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:15:05 +0500
Subject: [protege-user] Protege problem
In-Reply-To: <097e730c-6e2d-df54-20e5-6f0ffe4ff2a8@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
References: <CAD7oBT_1pNpnSFD=x+9PG6M1T5gk6vxYS0Apq2JvcXXK=LzwQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <097e730c-6e2d-df54-20e5-6f0ffe4ff2a8@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
Message-ID: <CAD7oBT8zYuUScRg_LVxp==T4w12ejAaj8_CAF5b8nPiuJtfeng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am using SPARQL Query tab in *Protege 5.2.0* to get results. The SPARQL
Query Tab only allows to use SELECT Query. But insert , update and delete
are not working. I searched google and some are saying that Protege does
not Support SPARQL 1.1 Language in which insert and update works.

Only SELECT Query is working in protege but update insert and delete are
not working.

If I apply the same insert , update and delete queries in Fuseki Server
then it works but not in the SPARQL Tab of protege. I want changes direct
in the database of protege in individuals data properties. How can I do it.


Following are the screenshots.

Please provide any solution related to this.

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Lorenz Buehmann <
buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:

> I already answered this in your previous email, but you didn't reply...
>
> Again, this does **not** work. Last time you used Fuseki with an
> in-memory - this time you say you're using TDB. This doesn't change
> anything. TDB is a proper RDF database, if you change something via
> SPARQL 1.1 Update queries, then only the data in TDB are modified. Do
> you understand this?
>
> data --load--> database
>
>
> Modifications will be done against the database, not the file. The
> database and the file are totally different things.
>
> If you're loading e.g. a CSV file into a MySQL database and modifiy the
> data in the database, is the file changed or the database? Right, the
> database.
>
> Conclusion, whatever you're doing it doesn't work as you hope. After
> each modification you'd have to dump the database (TDB in your case) to
> disk into the same file. That's the only way.
>
> It would be good if you reply to this thread this time...
>
>
> Lorenz
>
> On 19.03.2018 20:14, Tayyab Bhatti wrote:
> > Sir,
> >
> > I searched the stackoverflow and did the same making TDB dataset which
> > stores everything but still changes in protege file are not visible.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > TAYYAB BHATTI
>
>
>
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From mussa.omer at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 13:14:58 2018
From: mussa.omer at yahoo.co.uk (Mussa)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:14:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Access to Online ontology
Message-ID: <1521576898080-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Dear Prot?g? users

I am a new to use prot?g? and I am also a new to use the ontology. I would
like to know how could I have  an access to my ontology that is published
online in a specific location and manipulate it ? Is there any software
could help me to do this job. could I do it by using OWL API and how?


Many thanks in advance


Regards
Mussa




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From mussa.omer at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 13:50:52 2018
From: mussa.omer at yahoo.co.uk (Mussa)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:50:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Access to Online ontology
Message-ID: <1521579052340-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Dear Prot?g? users

I am a new to use prot?g? and I am also a new to use the ontology. I would
like to know how could I have  an access to my ontology that is published
online in a specific location and manipulate it ? Is there any software
could help me to do this job. could I do it by using OWL API and how?


Many thanks in advance


Regards
Mussa




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From csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu  Tue Mar 20 20:51:30 2018
From: csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu (Csongor Nyulas)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 20:51:30 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Access to Online ontology
In-Reply-To: <1521579052340-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1521579052340-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9bfc3e69-7c50-6232-dc6c-ada1680af7d4@stanford.edu>

Hi Mussa,

You can open an ontology that is available at a given URL by opening 
Protege and selecting the following menu item File -> Open from URL... 
(or using the associated key combination, which is Shift+Ctrl+O on a PC).

Once you open the ontology, you can modify it in Protege and you can 
create a local copy of the modified ontology. And if you have write 
access to the server serving the ontology file, you can upload the 
update ontology there. Of course, you can't directly modify the file 
that is available at a given URL, just as you can't change an HTML file 
on an arbitrary web server, which you display in the browser.

I hope that this makes sense.
Csongor


On 03/20/2018 01:50 PM, Mussa wrote:
> Dear Prot?g? users
>
> I am a new to use prot?g? and I am also a new to use the ontology. I would
> like to know how could I have  an access to my ontology that is published
> online in a specific location and manipulate it ? Is there any software
> could help me to do this job. could I do it by using OWL API and how?
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
>
> Regards
> Mussa
>
>
>
>
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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Tue Mar 20 21:33:03 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 05:33:03 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Protege problem
In-Reply-To: <CAD7oBT8zYuUScRg_LVxp==T4w12ejAaj8_CAF5b8nPiuJtfeng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD7oBT_1pNpnSFD=x+9PG6M1T5gk6vxYS0Apq2JvcXXK=LzwQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <097e730c-6e2d-df54-20e5-6f0ffe4ff2a8@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <CAD7oBT8zYuUScRg_LVxp==T4w12ejAaj8_CAF5b8nPiuJtfeng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <765981ee-2bf7-f92d-c45a-8d0cafd97fac@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

I know that this doesn't work from the Protege SPARQL query tab(s).

But it also doesn't work when you're using a different triple store like
Fuseki + TDB, the file will be loaded, but afterwards INSERT, DELTETE
queries will be applied to the database structures, not to the file that
you loaded.

You have dump the TDB database back to disk. Or you use e.g. Apache Jena
CLI command

bin/update --data PATH_TO_FILE --update PATH_TO_QUERY --dump > PATH_TO_FILE


On 20.03.2018 17:15, Tayyab Bhatti wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am using SPARQL Query tab in *Protege 5.2.0* to get results. The
> SPARQL Query Tab only allows to use SELECT Query. But insert , update
> and delete are not working. I searched google and some are saying that
> Protege does not Support SPARQL 1.1 Language in which insert and
> update works.?
>
> Only SELECT Query is working in protege but update insert and delete
> are not working.
>
> If I apply the same insert , update and delete queries in Fuseki
> Server then it works but not in the SPARQL Tab of protege. I want
> changes direct in the database of protege in individuals data
> properties. How can I do it.
>
>
> Following are the screenshots.
>
> Please provide any solution related to this.
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Lorenz Buehmann
> <buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de
> <mailto:buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de>> wrote:
>
>     I already answered this in your previous email, but you didn't
>     reply...
>
>     Again, this does **not** work. Last time you used Fuseki with an
>     in-memory - this time you say you're using TDB. This doesn't change
>     anything. TDB is a proper RDF database, if you change something via
>     SPARQL 1.1 Update queries, then only the data in TDB are modified. Do
>     you understand this?
>
>     data --load--> database
>
>
>     Modifications will be done against the database, not the file. The
>     database and the file are totally different things.
>
>     If you're loading e.g. a CSV file into a MySQL database and
>     modifiy the
>     data in the database, is the file changed or the database? Right, the
>     database.
>
>     Conclusion, whatever you're doing it doesn't work as you hope. After
>     each modification you'd have to dump the database (TDB in your
>     case) to
>     disk into the same file. That's the only way.
>
>     It would be good if you reply to this thread this time...
>
>
>     Lorenz
>
>     On 19.03.2018 20:14, Tayyab Bhatti wrote:
>     > Sir,
>     >
>     > I searched the stackoverflow and did the same making TDB dataset
>     which
>     > stores everything but still changes in protege file are not visible.
>     >
>     > Kind regards,?
>     > TAYYAB BHATTI
>
>
>

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From mussa.omer at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 01:09:19 2018
From: mussa.omer at yahoo.co.uk (Mussa)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 01:09:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] Access to Online ontology
In-Reply-To: <9bfc3e69-7c50-6232-dc6c-ada1680af7d4@stanford.edu>
References: <1521579052340-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <9bfc3e69-7c50-6232-dc6c-ada1680af7d4@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <1521619759269-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thank you Csonger for your replying. I know how to open ontology from prot?g?
using URL. What I am looking at is:

How to manipulate ontology via Java code. For example, I have an ontology
that published in a specific location on the web and I have the URL for the
ontology. How could I access to the ontology via java code to explore the
ontology, adding class, adding attributes. I have already done such job
using OWL API but the ontology was on my own desktop. Now I would like to
upload the ontology on the web, So there will be application on the web that
can be access by every one. So every should be able to manipulate the
ontology. So Please help me as much as you can or recommend any one who can
help me.  



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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Wed Mar 21 03:39:42 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:39:42 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Access to Online ontology
In-Reply-To: <1521619759269-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1521579052340-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <9bfc3e69-7c50-6232-dc6c-ada1680af7d4@stanford.edu>
 <1521619759269-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <83870cd1-5a16-6cd4-626b-f934354177eb@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

OWL API mailing list: owlapi-developer at lists.sourceforge.net


On 21.03.2018 09:09, Mussa wrote:
> Thank you Csonger for your replying. I know how to open ontology from prot?g?
> using URL. What I am looking at is:
>
> How to manipulate ontology via Java code. For example, I have an ontology
> that published in a specific location on the web and I have the URL for the
> ontology. How could I access to the ontology via java code to explore the
> ontology, adding class, adding attributes. I have already done such job
> using OWL API but the ontology was on my own desktop. Now I would like to
> upload the ontology on the web, So there will be application on the web that
> can be access by every one. So every should be able to manipulate the
> ontology. So Please help me as much as you can or recommend any one who can
> help me.  
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f4659818.html
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>


From csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu  Wed Mar 21 09:09:15 2018
From: csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu (Csongor Nyulas)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:09:15 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Access to Online ontology
In-Reply-To: <83870cd1-5a16-6cd4-626b-f934354177eb@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
References: <1521579052340-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <9bfc3e69-7c50-6232-dc6c-ada1680af7d4@stanford.edu>
 <1521619759269-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <83870cd1-5a16-6cd4-626b-f934354177eb@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
Message-ID: <38097335-7ea8-0b7b-fb85-0272aee9109a@stanford.edu>

Also, if you want multiple people to edit the ontology, you should check 
out WebProtege:
http://webprotege.stanford.edu/

And again, I don't see how the uploading a file to a fileserver is 
related to the ontology manipulation.

Csongor


On 03/21/2018 03:39 AM, Lorenz Buehmann wrote:
> OWL API mailing list: owlapi-developer at lists.sourceforge.net
>
>
> On 21.03.2018 09:09, Mussa wrote:
>> Thank you Csonger for your replying. I know how to open ontology from prot?g?
>> using URL. What I am looking at is:
>>
>> How to manipulate ontology via Java code. For example, I have an ontology
>> that published in a specific location on the web and I have the URL for the
>> ontology. How could I access to the ontology via java code to explore the
>> ontology, adding class, adding attributes. I have already done such job
>> using OWL API but the ontology was on my own desktop. Now I would like to
>> upload the ontology on the web, So there will be application on the web that
>> can be access by every one. So every should be able to manipulate the
>> ontology. So Please help me as much as you can or recommend any one who can
>> help me.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f4659818.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> protege-user mailing list
>> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user



From elgamersitoing at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 01:51:52 2018
From: elgamersitoing at gmail.com (Cristian Narvaez)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:51:52 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Access to Online ontology
In-Reply-To: <38097335-7ea8-0b7b-fb85-0272aee9109a@stanford.edu>
References: <1521579052340-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <9bfc3e69-7c50-6232-dc6c-ada1680af7d4@stanford.edu>
 <1521619759269-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <83870cd1-5a16-6cd4-626b-f934354177eb@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <38097335-7ea8-0b7b-fb85-0272aee9109a@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CAC0TTk-YPh2JP2yDayT1iTHU4o+9NM8txYE3=bNT+JeGsCqnbg@mail.gmail.com>

I think he wants to update the ontology in real time (something like web
protege but making his own system), i have to do something like that so i
will use JEna API but is just an idea now.

2018-03-21 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csongor Nyulas <csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu>:

> Also, if you want multiple people to edit the ontology, you should check
> out WebProtege:
> http://webprotege.stanford.edu/
>
> And again, I don't see how the uploading a file to a fileserver is related
> to the ontology manipulation.
>
> Csongor
>
>
>
> On 03/21/2018 03:39 AM, Lorenz Buehmann wrote:
>
>> OWL API mailing list: owlapi-developer at lists.sourceforge.net
>>
>>
>> On 21.03.2018 09:09, Mussa wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Csonger for your replying. I know how to open ontology from
>>> prot?g?
>>> using URL. What I am looking at is:
>>>
>>> How to manipulate ontology via Java code. For example, I have an ontology
>>> that published in a specific location on the web and I have the URL for
>>> the
>>> ontology. How could I access to the ontology via java code to explore the
>>> ontology, adding class, adding attributes. I have already done such job
>>> using OWL API but the ontology was on my own desktop. Now I would like to
>>> upload the ontology on the web, So there will be application on the web
>>> that
>>> can be access by every one. So every should be able to manipulate the
>>> ontology. So Please help me as much as you can or recommend any one who
>>> can
>>> help me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f46598
>>> 18.html
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> protege-user mailing list
>>> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> protege-user mailing list
>> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>



-- 
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Ingeniero en Multimedia
Asistente docente Universidad Nacional de Colombia
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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Thu Mar 22 02:05:45 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:05:45 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Access to Online ontology
In-Reply-To: <CAC0TTk-YPh2JP2yDayT1iTHU4o+9NM8txYE3=bNT+JeGsCqnbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1521579052340-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <9bfc3e69-7c50-6232-dc6c-ada1680af7d4@stanford.edu>
 <1521619759269-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <83870cd1-5a16-6cd4-626b-f934354177eb@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <38097335-7ea8-0b7b-fb85-0272aee9109a@stanford.edu>
 <CAC0TTk-YPh2JP2yDayT1iTHU4o+9NM8txYE3=bNT+JeGsCqnbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f57e6d6-564b-772c-e0db-4e8cd4039c40@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

OWL ontology -> OWL API

RDF data -> Apache Jena/RDF4J


On 22.03.2018 09:51, Cristian Narvaez wrote:
> I think he wants to update the ontology in real time (something like
> web protege but making his own system), i have to do something like
> that so i will use JEna API but is just an idea now.
>
> 2018-03-21 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csongor Nyulas <csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu
> <mailto:csongor.nyulas at stanford.edu>>:
>
>     Also, if you want multiple people to edit the ontology, you should
>     check out WebProtege:
>     http://webprotege.stanford.edu/ <http://webprotege.stanford.edu/>
>
>     And again, I don't see how the uploading a file to a fileserver is
>     related to the ontology manipulation.
>
>     Csongor
>
>
>
>     On 03/21/2018 03:39 AM, Lorenz Buehmann wrote:
>
>         OWL API mailing list: owlapi-developer at lists.sourceforge.net
>         <mailto:owlapi-developer at lists.sourceforge.net>
>
>
>         On 21.03.2018 09:09, Mussa wrote:
>
>             Thank you Csonger for your replying. I know how to open
>             ontology from prot?g?
>             using URL. What I am looking at is:
>
>             How to manipulate ontology via Java code. For example, I
>             have an ontology
>             that published in a specific location on the web and I
>             have the URL for the
>             ontology. How could I access to the ontology via java code
>             to explore the
>             ontology, adding class, adding attributes. I have already
>             done such job
>             using OWL API but the ontology was on my own desktop. Now
>             I would like to
>             upload the ontology on the web, So there will be
>             application on the web that
>             can be access by every one. So every should be able to
>             manipulate the
>             ontology. So Please help me as much as you can or
>             recommend any one who can
>             help me.
>
>
>
>             --
>             Sent from:
>             http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f4659818.html
>             <http://protege-project.136.n4.nabble.com/Protege-User-f4659818.html>
>             _______________________________________________
>             protege-user mailing list
>             protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>             <mailto:protege-user at lists.stanford.edu>
>             https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>             <https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         protege-user mailing list
>         protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>         <mailto:protege-user at lists.stanford.edu>
>         https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>         <https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user>
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     protege-user mailing list
>     protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>     <mailto:protege-user at lists.stanford.edu>
>     https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>     <https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cristian Narv?ez.
> Ingeniero en Multimedia
> Asistente docente Universidad Nacional de Colombia
> Bogot?-Colombia
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From buerger at uni-koblenz.de  Thu Mar 22 03:29:09 2018
From: buerger at uni-koblenz.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Jens_B=c3=bcrger?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:29:09 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Load import hierarchy of ontology automatically?
Message-ID: <c83bc408-0365-61e3-fcd8-7ea2e62c91f5@uni-koblenz.de>

Dear people of Prot?g?,

I am working on an ontology A which has the following import hierarchy:

A imports B
B imports C

All three ontologies are local and reside in the same directory.

When I open A, only the direct import of B is shown but not the indirect 
import of C by B.

The only possibility I found by now is by manually loading B and C, 
which for example results in a warning that C is already defined and 
will be overwritten.

I find this time-consuming, is there an option/preference I missed or a 
way to automate this?


Kind regards,
Jens B?rger

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From buerger at uni-koblenz.de  Thu Mar 22 03:53:27 2018
From: buerger at uni-koblenz.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Jens_B=c3=bcrger?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:53:27 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Load import hierarchy of ontology automatically?
In-Reply-To: <c83bc408-0365-61e3-fcd8-7ea2e62c91f5@uni-koblenz.de>
References: <c83bc408-0365-61e3-fcd8-7ea2e62c91f5@uni-koblenz.de>
Message-ID: <3a2725d8-cd70-d084-3ba1-24366f8a9852@uni-koblenz.de>

[?]
> A imports B
> B imports C
> 
> All three ontologies are local and reside in the same directory.
I discovered that adding B and C manually to the catalog, even though 
they are already in it because of automatic discovery, it lead to 
automatically loading the import hierarchy when loading ontology A.

Is this supposed that way?

Kind regards,
Jens B?rger

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From gokselmisirli at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 05:33:21 2018
From: gokselmisirli at gmail.com (Goksel Misirli)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:33:21 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] UK Ontology Network (UKON) 2018 - Registration is
 open [Deadline: 16th April, 2018]
Message-ID: <CAN5Q1F_xH6378X4vmoS1=K2S3a8DWk7ArCaYw6LQFgNqhmn0NQ@mail.gmail.com>

The Sixth UK Ontology Network meeting (#ukon2018) will take place on Monday
April 30th, 2018 at Keele University, Keele, Staffordshire. The aims of
this meeting are as follows:

  To enable dissemination of ontology and related forms of knowledge
representation
  relevant work from across multiple disciplines

  To encourage collaboration and cooperation between different members of UK
  organisations working in this area

  To help establish a research agenda in ontology and better communication
  with funding councils and industry needs


The full programme is now available, and we have a fascinating series of
talks, with demo and poster sessions. The meeting will also offer plenty of
opportunities for networking.


Registration for UKON 2018 is now available. Please register before 16th of
April, using the link below:

http://www.ukontology.org


Best wishes, and we look forward to seeing you in Keele.

Dr Goksel Misirli & Dr Allison Gardner (Keele University)
Dr Phillip Lord & Dr Jennifer Warrender (Newcastle University)
Dr James Malone (FactBio)
Prof. Robert Stevens (Manchester University)

UKON 2018 Organisers
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From anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br  Thu Mar 22 06:40:31 2018
From: anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br (=?UTF-8?Q?Ana_Patr=C3=ADcia_de_Sousa?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:40:31 -0300
Subject: [protege-user] Plugin - Web Protege
Message-ID: <CANqK3qL3h8qs171U1ppYZr2s2V4TCJ+AfhV+mm-BGCzUmt4v6w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, good morning!

I am from Brazil and i am interested in build a Web Protege Plugin for my m
asters research. Thus, i would like to know if exists some tutorial with
the technologies and dependencies required to implement the plugin for the
web version of Protege as it exists for the desktop version at:
https://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/PluginAnatomy.

Thank you in advance!

-- 
Ana Patr?cia de Sousa
(86) 99830-0867

Estudante de p?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica a n?vel de mestrado
Programa de P?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica (PPGI)
Centro de Inform?tica (CI)
Universidade Federal da Para?ba (UFPB)
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From matthew.horridge at stanford.edu  Thu Mar 22 09:30:52 2018
From: matthew.horridge at stanford.edu (Matthew Horridge)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:30:52 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Plugin - Web Protege
In-Reply-To: <CANqK3qL3h8qs171U1ppYZr2s2V4TCJ+AfhV+mm-BGCzUmt4v6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANqK3qL3h8qs171U1ppYZr2s2V4TCJ+AfhV+mm-BGCzUmt4v6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E0F4769-4526-4727-BABC-B527E1407659@stanford.edu>

Hi Ana,

There?s plugin examples in the Git repository here:

https://github.com/protegeproject/protege-plugin-examples

You can clone the repository and build the plugins following the instructions.

Cheers,

Matthew


On 22 Mar 2018, at 06:40, Ana Patr?cia de Sousa <anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br<mailto:anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br>> wrote:

Hi, good morning!

I am from Brazil and i am interested in build a Web Protege Plugin for my masters research. Thus, i would like to know if exists some tutorial with the technologies and dependencies required to implement the plugin for the web version of Protege as it exists for the desktop version at: https://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/PluginAnatomy.

Thank you in advance!

--
Ana Patr?cia de Sousa
(86) 99830-0867

Estudante de p?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica a n?vel de mestrado
Programa de P?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica (PPGI)
Centro de Inform?tica (CI)
Universidade Federal da Para?ba (UFPB)

_______________________________________________
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From matthew.horridge at stanford.edu  Thu Mar 22 09:34:20 2018
From: matthew.horridge at stanford.edu (Matthew Horridge)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:34:20 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Load import hierarchy of ontology automatically?
In-Reply-To: <3a2725d8-cd70-d084-3ba1-24366f8a9852@uni-koblenz.de>
References: <c83bc408-0365-61e3-fcd8-7ea2e62c91f5@uni-koblenz.de>
 <3a2725d8-cd70-d084-3ba1-24366f8a9852@uni-koblenz.de>
Message-ID: <EC645D64-AC27-4375-B4E5-3AE6F8E57145@stanford.edu>

Hi Jens,

What is the ontology IRI of C? Also, what IRI does B use for the import of C?

Cheers,

Matthew


> On 22 Mar 2018, at 03:53, Jens B?rger <buerger at uni-koblenz.de> wrote:
> 
> [?]
>> A imports B
>> B imports C
>> All three ontologies are local and reside in the same directory.
> I discovered that adding B and C manually to the catalog, even though they are already in it because of automatic discovery, it lead to automatically loading the import hierarchy when loading ontology A.
> 
> Is this supposed that way?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Jens B?rger
> 
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user


From anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br  Thu Mar 22 09:38:49 2018
From: anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br (=?UTF-8?Q?Ana_Patr=C3=ADcia_de_Sousa?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:38:49 -0300
Subject: [protege-user] Plugin - Web Protege
In-Reply-To: <9E0F4769-4526-4727-BABC-B527E1407659@stanford.edu>
References: <CANqK3qL3h8qs171U1ppYZr2s2V4TCJ+AfhV+mm-BGCzUmt4v6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <9E0F4769-4526-4727-BABC-B527E1407659@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CANqK3q+y9P45KeZNDiC7YVmRw-XnRkE_cbRmYG2ft3wyS9O5FA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Matthew, thank you for replying!

On Mar 22, 2018 1:31 PM, "Matthew Horridge" <matthew.horridge at stanford.edu>
wrote:

> Hi Ana,
>
> There?s plugin examples in the Git repository here:
>
> https://github.com/protegeproject/protege-plugin-examples
>
> You can clone the repository and build the plugins following the
> instructions.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2018, at 06:40, Ana Patr?cia de Sousa <
> anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br> wrote:
>
> Hi, good morning!
>
> I am from Brazil and i am interested in build a Web Protege Plugin for my
> masters research. Thus, i would like to know if exists some tutorial with
> the technologies and dependencies required to implement the plugin for
> the web version of Protege as it exists for the desktop version at:
> https://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/PluginAnatomy.
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> --
> Ana Patr?cia de Sousa
> (86) 99830-0867
>
> Estudante de p?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica a n?vel de mestrado
> Programa de P?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica (PPGI)
> Centro de Inform?tica (CI)
> Universidade Federal da Para?ba (UFPB)
>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
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From yevgeny.kazakov at uni-ulm.de  Fri Mar 23 03:13:42 2018
From: yevgeny.kazakov at uni-ulm.de (Yevgeny Kazakov)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:13:42 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Plugin - Web Protege
In-Reply-To: <9E0F4769-4526-4727-BABC-B527E1407659@stanford.edu>
References: <CANqK3qL3h8qs171U1ppYZr2s2V4TCJ+AfhV+mm-BGCzUmt4v6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <9E0F4769-4526-4727-BABC-B527E1407659@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CACFL79fdY=u1m82oaAjJqHKmBdVimOof9gsDyScBoaXV5-erag@mail.gmail.com>

Does *Web* Protege have plugins??

- Yevgeny

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Matthew Horridge <
matthew.horridge at stanford.edu> wrote:

> Hi Ana,
>
> There?s plugin examples in the Git repository here:
>
> https://github.com/protegeproject/protege-plugin-examples
>
> You can clone the repository and build the plugins following the
> instructions.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2018, at 06:40, Ana Patr?cia de Sousa <
> anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br> wrote:
>
> Hi, good morning!
>
> I am from Brazil and i am interested in build a Web Protege Plugin for my
> masters research. Thus, i would like to know if exists some tutorial with
> the technologies and dependencies required to implement the plugin for
> the web version of Protege as it exists for the desktop version at:
> https://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/PluginAnatomy.
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> --
> Ana Patr?cia de Sousa
> (86) 99830-0867
>
> Estudante de p?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica a n?vel de mestrado
> Programa de P?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica (PPGI)
> Centro de Inform?tica (CI)
> Universidade Federal da Para?ba (UFPB)
>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>
>
>
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From rrovetto at buffalo.edu  Fri Mar 23 08:13:25 2018
From: rrovetto at buffalo.edu (rrovetto at buffalo.edu)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:13:25 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
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References: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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I was able to use the Celfie to import content from a spreadsheet to
generate instances in an ontology.
But you want to generate object properties?
?
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From shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 08:16:43 2018
From: shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com (Shreyas Patil)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:16:43 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
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Hello Michael,

I did complete the Cellfie Grocery tutorial and am able to use spreadsheet
for instantiation. My problem arises due to use of annotations to represent
classes in ontology. I use annotations to be conformal to BFO ontology. For
example I have a class named Test Class, I have to put in rule as
Individual: @A
Type: @B
Facts:

@C @D,

Here C is the object property and D is what it links A with, example cell A
has name of father, C has relation - is father to , D has name -example
David.

Because I want to use generalized spreadsheet i need help putting two cell
references for Facts.

Thanks again.

Regards,
Shreyas

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 1:22 PM Michael DeBellis <mdebellissf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Shreyas, did you do the Celfie tutorial first?
> https://github.com/protegeproject/cellfie-plugin/wiki/Grocery-Tutorial
>
> It's hard for us to give you much feedback based on what you said in your
> message. What exactly are you trying to do and what error message are you
> getting?
>
> Michael
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 4:04 AM, Shreyas <shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am currently working on developing an information model in engineering
>> domain. For ease of instantiation into ontology, I am trying to use
>> Cellfie
>> plugin. I am trying to actually read object properties from spreadsheet as
>> well, but I am stuck due to limitations of cellfie plugin. Does anyone
>> have
>> a work around to do the same?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shreyas
>>
>>
>>
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From shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 08:18:47 2018
From: shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com (Shreyas Patil)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:18:47 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
In-Reply-To: <CADM4J9xDDEOXfKbE_0U36m5U445Zu_hZED3Nsv-DT9QVrkLBLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CALxVJc4iDbxfH6Qtmyyw3e2dAYMbwdgPXrOKcyaddRC713UqAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Sir,

Yes, not generate new, the object properties exist in ontology, it's just
that I would like to refer to any object property I have in that column by
using cell references.

Regards,
Shreyas

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:13 AM <rrovetto at buffalo.edu> wrote:

> I was able to use the Celfie to import content from a spreadsheet to
> generate instances in an ontology.
> But you want to generate object properties?
> ?
> _______________________________________________
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From sunid at stanford.edu  Fri Mar 23 08:55:11 2018
From: sunid at stanford.edu (Martin O'Connor)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:55:11 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
In-Reply-To: <CALxVJc4iDbxfH6Qtmyyw3e2dAYMbwdgPXrOKcyaddRC713UqAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikc8_s4V4Joksn+5qHphgjd5aiHAVxan0obfJ_e75dbKSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADM4J9xDDEOXfKbE_0U36m5U445Zu_hZED3Nsv-DT9QVrkLBLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2CA08B6F-867C-4913-B592-BA608DBB809A@stanford.edu>


Unfortunately, Cellfie does not yet support the language clauses for creating object and data properties.

Martin


On Mar 23, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Shreyas Patil <shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com<mailto:shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Sir,

Yes, not generate new, the object properties exist in ontology, it's just that I would like to refer to any object property I have in that column by using cell references.

Regards,
Shreyas

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:13 AM <rrovetto at buffalo.edu<mailto:rrovetto at buffalo.edu>> wrote:
I was able to use the Celfie to import content from a spreadsheet to generate instances in an ontology.
But you want to generate object properties?
?
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From vincent643 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 08:56:31 2018
From: vincent643 at gmail.com (Vincent Henry)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:56:31 +0100
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
In-Reply-To: <CALxVJc4iDbxfH6Qtmyyw3e2dAYMbwdgPXrOKcyaddRC713UqAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CAE681gp6Zcv59TUuUGrqDR=1rNaf--qek2REt0TMBW_HMe8=Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

When I use Cellfie, I first declare my object property (i.e. Go_to) and my
object property is not on the table but I know what property exists between
columns (i.e. A ans B).
Then, for class, I use Cellfie like that:
Class: @A*
  SubClassOf: Go_to some @B*


If the property already exist in the ontology. It is important to take care
of the IRI and not the label.

Regards,

Vincent

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Shreyas Patil <shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Sir,
>
> Yes, not generate new, the object properties exist in ontology, it's just
> that I would like to refer to any object property I have in that column by
> using cell references.
>
> Regards,
> Shreyas
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:13 AM <rrovetto at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>
>> I was able to use the Celfie to import content from a spreadsheet to
>> generate instances in an ontology.
>> But you want to generate object properties?
>> ?
>> _______________________________________________
>> protege-user mailing list
>> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>>
>
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From shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 09:12:29 2018
From: shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com (Shreyas Patil)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:12:29 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
In-Reply-To: <2CA08B6F-867C-4913-B592-BA608DBB809A@stanford.edu>
References: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikc8_s4V4Joksn+5qHphgjd5aiHAVxan0obfJ_e75dbKSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADM4J9xDDEOXfKbE_0U36m5U445Zu_hZED3Nsv-DT9QVrkLBLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALxVJc4iDbxfH6Qtmyyw3e2dAYMbwdgPXrOKcyaddRC713UqAg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Martin,

Thanks for the information. I hope it gets implemented as putting in too
many Cellfie rules is cumbersome. My ontology supports quite a lot of
information, using object properties through Cellfie would have had eased
the burden.

Regards,
Shreyas

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:55 AM Martin O'Connor <sunid at stanford.edu> wrote:

>
> Unfortunately, Cellfie does not yet support the language clauses for
> creating object and data properties.
>
> Martin
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Shreyas Patil <shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Sir,
>
> Yes, not generate new, the object properties exist in ontology, it's just
> that I would like to refer to any object property I have in that column by
> using cell references.
>
> Regards,
> Shreyas
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:13 AM <rrovetto at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>
>> I was able to use the Celfie to import content from a spreadsheet to
>> generate instances in an ontology.
>> But you want to generate object properties?
>> ?
>> _______________________________________________
>> protege-user mailing list
>> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 09:13:23 2018
From: shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com (Shreyas Patil)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:13:23 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
In-Reply-To: <CAE681gp6Zcv59TUuUGrqDR=1rNaf--qek2REt0TMBW_HMe8=Jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALGFikc8_s4V4Joksn+5qHphgjd5aiHAVxan0obfJ_e75dbKSA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADM4J9xDDEOXfKbE_0U36m5U445Zu_hZED3Nsv-DT9QVrkLBLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Vincent,

Thanks for help, but it's not what I was looking for, my question has been
answered by Martin.

Regards,
Shreyas


On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 12:03 PM Vincent Henry <vincent643 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When I use Cellfie, I first declare my object property (i.e. Go_to) and my
> object property is not on the table but I know what property exists between
> columns (i.e. A ans B).
> Then, for class, I use Cellfie like that:
> Class: @A*
>   SubClassOf: Go_to some @B*
>
>
> If the property already exist in the ontology. It is important to take
> care of the IRI and not the label.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vincent
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Shreyas Patil <shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello Sir,
>>
>> Yes, not generate new, the object properties exist in ontology, it's just
>> that I would like to refer to any object property I have in that column by
>> using cell references.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shreyas
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:13 AM <rrovetto at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I was able to use the Celfie to import content from a spreadsheet to
>>> generate instances in an ontology.
>>> But you want to generate object properties?
>>> ?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> protege-user mailing list
>>> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
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From sunid at stanford.edu  Fri Mar 23 09:14:33 2018
From: sunid at stanford.edu (Martin O'Connor)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:14:33 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Cellfie Plugin Help
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References: <1521371063789-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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 <CADM4J9xDDEOXfKbE_0U36m5U445Zu_hZED3Nsv-DT9QVrkLBLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALxVJc4iDbxfH6Qtmyyw3e2dAYMbwdgPXrOKcyaddRC713UqAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <2CA08B6F-867C-4913-B592-BA608DBB809A@stanford.edu>
 <CALxVJc6XnLMXrkukrBY9YfvsXfd9CPuWiep3JG82_Zixcq10aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08564389-D12B-46AB-802A-896284A21E92@stanford.edu>


I hope it happens in the near future, too - but, unfortunately, there is no funding for this work at the moment.

Martin

On Mar 23, 2018, at 4:12 PM, Shreyas Patil <shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com<mailto:shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Martin,

Thanks for the information. I hope it gets implemented as putting in too many Cellfie rules is cumbersome. My ontology supports quite a lot of information, using object properties through Cellfie would have had eased the burden.

Regards,
Shreyas

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:55 AM Martin O'Connor <sunid at stanford.edu<mailto:sunid at stanford.edu>> wrote:

Unfortunately, Cellfie does not yet support the language clauses for creating object and data properties.

Martin


On Mar 23, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Shreyas Patil <shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com<mailto:shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Sir,

Yes, not generate new, the object properties exist in ontology, it's just that I would like to refer to any object property I have in that column by using cell references.

Regards,
Shreyas

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:13 AM <rrovetto at buffalo.edu<mailto:rrovetto at buffalo.edu>> wrote:
I was able to use the Celfie to import content from a spreadsheet to generate instances in an ontology.
But you want to generate object properties?
?
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From matthew.horridge at stanford.edu  Fri Mar 23 09:43:38 2018
From: matthew.horridge at stanford.edu (Matthew Horridge)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:43:38 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Plugin - Web Protege
In-Reply-To: <CACFL79fdY=u1m82oaAjJqHKmBdVimOof9gsDyScBoaXV5-erag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANqK3qL3h8qs171U1ppYZr2s2V4TCJ+AfhV+mm-BGCzUmt4v6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <9E0F4769-4526-4727-BABC-B527E1407659@stanford.edu>
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Message-ID: <FBD26420-49C8-496E-B37E-DDE8C6F3AD25@stanford.edu>

Hi Yevgeny,

No, WebProtege doesn?t have plugins like the desktop version.

Cheers,

Matthew


On 23 Mar 2018, at 03:13, Yevgeny Kazakov <yevgeny.kazakov at uni-ulm.de<mailto:yevgeny.kazakov at uni-ulm.de>> wrote:

Does *Web* Protege have plugins??

- Yevgeny

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Matthew Horridge <matthew.horridge at stanford.edu<mailto:matthew.horridge at stanford.edu>> wrote:
Hi Ana,

There?s plugin examples in the Git repository here:

https://github.com/protegeproject/protege-plugin-examples

You can clone the repository and build the plugins following the instructions.

Cheers,

Matthew


On 22 Mar 2018, at 06:40, Ana Patr?cia de Sousa <anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br<mailto:anapatricia at ppgi.ci.ufpb.br>> wrote:

Hi, good morning!

I am from Brazil and i am interested in build a Web Protege Plugin for my masters research. Thus, i would like to know if exists some tutorial with the technologies and dependencies required to implement the plugin for the web version of Protege as it exists for the desktop version at: https://protegewiki.stanford.edu/wiki/PluginAnatomy.

Thank you in advance!

--
Ana Patr?cia de Sousa
(86) 99830-0867

Estudante de p?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica a n?vel de mestrado
Programa de P?s-gradua??o em Inform?tica (PPGI)
Centro de Inform?tica (CI)
Universidade Federal da Para?ba (UFPB)

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From entanon at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 16:26:52 2018
From: entanon at gmail.com (Entan On)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 23:26:52 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Volume of data accepted by Web Protege
Message-ID: <CAPXyt3+p57KurjSf3gCz4dmpWCZ3mW4Op7_cztf82ZNCsGFe+g@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to build up an ontology of the concepts upon which various
ideologies are based.

Examples of the members of the sub-classes, would be news or factual items,
which show that that property of the ideology is displayed in the real
world.  So the instances would be pointers to web site pages of ideological
doctrine, or news items.

I know from previous attempts that it is absolutely necessary to bind the
ideological-concepts/classes to real world acts and statements because:

   - that is the best way to explain and validate the concept or component
   of the belief system
   - as you come back and re-read these statements and events, your
   understanding of their meaning and significance changes
   - and now the most exciting thing: the ontology is dynamic.  As more
   classes and instances are added, you automatically feel like re-structuring
   the class hierarchy, and re-distributing instances within it.  You discover
   in fact, that *anything *can be a category, and they arise in mysterious
   ways.

But there is a practical problem.  The average lifespan of a webpage is
under 3 years, often far less.  So ideally, the webpage itself has to be
captured and stored at the time of first reference, or the ontology will
collapse for lack of evidence and explanation.

So my ontology may grow to have a several gigabytes of data.  This is far
more than the sample ontologies you show, which seem to be very short on
instances of each class. It seems as if the ontology doesn't spread its
tentacles into the real world of used instances. For example, I would be
interested to see the ontology of components of a VW car, which also
included individual instances of a sub class, each with its own serial
number, (where a part has a serial number).

So the question is: what is the data limit you allow, for an ontology
created in Web Protege?
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From wdduncan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 24 18:42:28 2018
From: wdduncan at gmail.com (Bill Duncan)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 21:42:28 -0400
Subject: [protege-user] Protege multiple equivalentTo axioms vs union of
	axioms
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Thanks for the clarification!

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:44 AM, Lorenz Buehmann <
buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:

> You got an answer there based on a simpler example:
>
> A EquivalentTo B OR C
>
> is syntactic sugar for
>
> A SubClassOf (B OR C)
>
> and
>
> (B OR C) SubClassOf A .
>
>
> The important part for your query is that
>
> A SubClassOf (B OR C)
>
> does **not** entail
>
> A SubClassOf B
>
> nor does it entail
>
> A SubClassOf C
>
>
> Saying
>
> Person SubClassOf Male OR Female
>
> clearly can't lead to
>
> Person SubClassOf Male (resp. Female)
>
>
> You can map this to your example, the reason remains the same. It's the
> set-based semantics of OWL resp. the underlying description logic SROIQ.
>
>
> Lorenz
>
> On 17.03.2018 16:33, Bill Duncan wrote:
>
> I posted this on Stackoverflow:
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49210547/protege-
> multiple-equivalentto-axioms-vs-union-of-axioms
>
> But I didn't understand the comments.
>
> Can you help?
>
> Here's what I posted:
>
> I am trying to understand the difference between using multiple
> equivalentTo axioms and using a union (i.e., disjunction) of those axioms.
> I have set up a toy ontology with this structure:
> ```
>   Class_A
>    - Class_A.1
>   Class_B
>   Class_C
>   Class_D
>    - Class_D.1
> ```
> with an object property named `has_part`.
>
> `Class_A.1` is defined using the equivalence axiom:
> ```
>   EquivalentTo
>   (Class_A and (has_part some Class_B)) or (Class_A and (has_part some
> Class_C))
> ```
>
> `Class_D1` is defined using two equivalence axioms:
> ```
>   EquivalentTo
>   Class_D and (has_part some Class_B)
> ```
> ```
>   EquivalentTo
>   Class_D and (has_part some Class_C)
> ```
>
> Using HermiT 1.3.8.413, I execute the DL Query `has_part some Class_B`.
> This returns subclass `Class_D.1`, which makes sense.
>
> However, I do not understand why `Class_A.1` was not returned. I thought
> since the equivalence axioms for `Class_A.1` was a disjunction, it was be
> subsumed by the `has_part some Class_B` disjunct.
>
>
>
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From vincenzo.dellamea at uniud.it  Mon Mar 26 07:06:11 2018
From: vincenzo.dellamea at uniud.it (Vincenzo Della Mea)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:06:11 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Volume of data accepted by Web Protege
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But there is a practical problem.  The average lifespan of a webpage is under 3 years, often far less.  So ideally, the webpage itself has to be captured and stored at the time of first reference, or the ontology will collapse for lack of evidence and explanation.

for long-term storage of URIs, try this service: http://www.webcitation.org
(however, I am not sure that a news item is a instance of a concept - some more elaborate relationship may be needed).

Kind regards,
Vincenzo



* Vincenzo Della Mea
* Medical Informatics, Telemedicine and Ehealth Lab
* Dept. of Mathematics, Computer Science, and Physics
* University of Udine, Italy
* http://www.dimi.uniud.it/dellamea/ - http://mitel.dimi.uniud.it/
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From mdebellissf at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 15:48:59 2018
From: mdebellissf at gmail.com (Michael DeBellis)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 15:48:59 -0700
Subject: [protege-user] Trying to implement modal logic (Open World
	assumption)
Message-ID: <CALGFikcENi3JwMyGH108AvY=FRWS5Hjv+3JKE3QohMPffjq6-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Is there some way to tell the reasoner that in spite of the Open World
assumption everything that can be known about a class is already known?

What I'm trying to do is to implement a toy example of Modal Logic in the
attached ontology. In Modal Logic p is necessarily true (aka box p) in a
world W if all the successor worlds of W have p equal to true. P is
possibly true (aka diamond p) if some of the successor worlds have p true.
This seemed a natural thing to implement in OWL. Also, there are variants
of Modal Logic based on whether the successor relation is symmetric,
transitive, etc. so again seemed like kind of a natural.

I created classes such as POnlyLookingWorld (necessarily p) and
PAndNotPLookingWorld (possibly p and possibly not p) but the problem was
how to get around the open world assumption. I did that by defining all
Worlds to have exactly 2 successors. So in my toy example where I've set up
some worlds (W1 - W4) with exactly two successors everything works as it
should. But of course the problem is that even for a toy example this is
really limiting.

Is there a way to model this without having such a limiting axiom about the
number of successors?

Michael
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From buerger at uni-koblenz.de  Tue Mar 27 10:15:16 2018
From: buerger at uni-koblenz.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Jens_B=c3=bcrger?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 19:15:16 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] Load import hierarchy of ontology automatically?
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Am 22.03.2018 um 17:34 schrieb Matthew Horridge:
> Hi Jens,
> 
> What is the ontology IRI of C? Also, what IRI does B use for the import of C?

IRI of ont. C:
http://rgse.uni-koblenz.de/upper

B imports C:
     <owl:Ontology rdf:about="http://rgse.uni-koblenz.de/w84">
         <owl:imports rdf:resource="http://rgse.uni-koblenz.de/upper"/>

A imports B:
     <owl:Ontology rdf:about="http://rgse.uni-koblenz.de/w84sys">
         <owl:imports rdf:resource="http://rgse.uni-koblenz.de/w84"/>

As far as I can tell, the automatically generated entries in 
catalog-v001.xml acknowledge existence of the respective files / IRIs.

I checked some things and found out:
Apparently the problem for Prot?g? not automatically getting the imports 
right is when several ontology files exist within the automatically 
discovered catalog having the same IRI (tagged with a "duplicate:" 
prefix in the <uri>-entry.

In the above case, I have a w84.owl and also a w84_evolved.owl, both having
http://rgse.uni-koblenz.de/w84
as IRI.

This sounds reasonable to me because Prot?g? has no idea which of the 
duplicates to choose.

At this point I'd like to add that failed imports should be at least 
generate some kind of notice or warning at the GUI level (according to 
console output, Prot?g? is aware of failed imports).
("Failed to load imported ontology at "...)


So, to solve the issue, I added version IRIs:
http://rgse.uni-koblenz.de/w84/1 in w84.owl
and
http://rgse.uni-koblenz.de/w84/2 in w84_evolved.owl

But the automatically catalog still recognizes both as duplicate.

So I guess the automatic catalog generation does not take version IRIs 
into account?

Kind regards,
Jens

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
>> On 22 Mar 2018, at 03:53, Jens B?rger <buerger at uni-koblenz.de> wrote:
>>
>> [?]
>>> A imports B
>>> B imports C
>>> All three ontologies are local and reside in the same directory.
>> I discovered that adding B and C manually to the catalog, even though they are already in it because of automatic discovery, it lead to automatically loading the import hierarchy when loading ontology A.
>>
>> Is this supposed that way?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Jens B?rger
>>
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From name1390453675 at mail.com  Tue Mar 27 14:21:27 2018
From: name1390453675 at mail.com (Igor Toujilov)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 23:21:27 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] Trying to implement modal logic (Open World
 assumption)
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From yevgeny.kazakov at uni-ulm.de  Wed Mar 28 13:59:26 2018
From: yevgeny.kazakov at uni-ulm.de (Yevgeny Kazakov)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:59:26 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] Load import hierarchy of ontology automatically?
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Hi Jens,

maybe it is worth creating a github ticket for your issue (or append to an
existing one)?

https://github.com/protegeproject/protege/issues


On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:15 PM, Jens B?rger <buerger at uni-koblenz.de> wrote:

>
> At this point I'd like to add that failed imports should be at least
> generate some kind of notice or warning at the GUI level (according to
> console output, Prot?g? is aware of failed imports).
> ("Failed to load imported ontology at "...)
>
>
FYI: if / when my pull request will be merged, there will be a warning
symbol on the Protege status area when warning messages appear in the
console:
https://github.com/protegeproject/protege/pull/734

You can try this fork to see if it will be sufficient:

https://github.com/liveontologies/protege

Cheers,

- Yevgeny
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From kemylle at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 16:00:20 2018
From: kemylle at gmail.com (Camila Silva)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:00:20 -0300
Subject: [protege-user] Problem with properties OWL API
Message-ID: <CAAybMiycuvoXkGvRcroX8nF4wPo+RNawJU9jmsqGwjhjCmatoA@mail.gmail.com>

 Dear users,

I need transform this :

Haulagetruckdriver worksfor (partof Haulagecompany)  to OWL by using OWL
API.

wrokfor and partof are properties.  Haulagetruckdriver and   Haulagecompany are
classes.

Someone can help me?


Thanks in advance!

Bests
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From wdduncan at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 20:32:21 2018
From: wdduncan at gmail.com (Bill Duncan)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:32:21 -0400
Subject: [protege-user] DL query for individuls that do not have a value
Message-ID: <CAM2Eo-eP64K-HVmtHXq0npQzjd1wjZ4m15Pt+qxifJMUniZ4Pw@mail.gmail.com>

I am have trouble constructing a DL query for individuals that do not have
a value.

Suppose I have two data properties:

1. has_race (takes on values "w" "b" "a" "n")
2. has_ethnicity (takes on value "h")

In some cases, I may need to find individuals who have identified do not
have any ethnicity information.

If I perform the DL query:

(has_race value "b") and not (has_race "h")

no results are retuned.

However, if explicitly assert (using a negative data property assertion)
that an individual does not have has_ethnicity "h", the above query works.
However, this is not what I need.
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From veerasingam.89 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 20:41:33 2018
From: veerasingam.89 at gmail.com (VEERASINGAM PARAMAN)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 03:41:33 +0000
Subject: [protege-user]
	=?utf-8?q?DL_query_https=3A//m=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/wat?=
	=?utf-8?q?ch=3Fv=3DClC4s6EXyn4_=F0=9F=8E=A5_Good_Morning_Family_Gu?=
	=?utf-8?q?y_-_YouTube_https=3A//m=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/watch=3Fv=3DClC4?=
	=?utf-8?q?s6EXyn4_=F0=9F=8E=A5_Good_Morning_Family_Guy_-_YouTube_i?=
	=?utf-8?q?ndividuls_that_do_not_have_a_value?=
In-Reply-To: <CAM2Eo-eP64K-HVmtHXq0npQzjd1wjZ4m15Pt+qxifJMUniZ4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2Eo-eP64K-HVmtHXq0npQzjd1wjZ4m15Pt+qxifJMUniZ4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKos7ZO4_5sQ2JvazDvs8sJsiE1G9vt0eRm2NJnkp6oqK1EObw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mar 29, 2018 9:02 AM, "Bill Duncan" <wdduncan at gmail.com> wrote:

I am have trouble constructing a DL query for individuals that do not have
a value.

Suppose I have two data properties:

1. has_race (takes on values "w" "b" "a" "n")
2. has_ethnicity (takes on value "h")

In some cases, I may need to find individuals who have identified do not
have any ethnicity information.

If I perform the DL query:

(has_race value "b") and not (has_race "h")

no results are retuned.

However, if explicitly assert (using a negative data property assertion)
that an individual does not have has_ethnicity "h", the above query works.
However, this is not what I need.
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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Wed Mar 28 23:48:37 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:48:37 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] Problem with properties OWL API
In-Reply-To: <CAAybMiycuvoXkGvRcroX8nF4wPo+RNawJU9jmsqGwjhjCmatoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAybMiycuvoXkGvRcroX8nF4wPo+RNawJU9jmsqGwjhjCmatoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <527d3d75-8375-0dff-a472-ba73dfd11900@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

OWL API mailing list?

And what means "transform"? Create an OWL aixom? Anyways, wrong mailing
list...


On 29.03.2018 01:00, Camila Silva wrote:
> Dear users,
>
> I need transform this :
>
> Haulagetruckdriver worksfor (partof?Haulagecompany)? to OWL by using
> OWL API.
>
> wrokfor?and partof?are
> properties.??Haulagetruckdriver?and???Haulagecompany?are classes.
>
> Someone can help me?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Bests
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user

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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Wed Mar 28 23:50:01 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:50:01 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] DL query for individuls that do not have a value
In-Reply-To: <CAM2Eo-eP64K-HVmtHXq0npQzjd1wjZ4m15Pt+qxifJMUniZ4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2Eo-eP64K-HVmtHXq0npQzjd1wjZ4m15Pt+qxifJMUniZ4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3eb8fbc7-1d8b-6992-082d-cb208572d487@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

OWL -> Open World Assumption -> a standard OWL reasoner can't infer by
non-existence the negation, this needs an explicit statement.


On 29.03.2018 05:32, Bill Duncan wrote:
> I am have trouble constructing a DL query for individuals that do not
> have a value.
>
> Suppose I have two data properties:
>
> 1. has_race (takes on values "w" "b" "a" "n")
> 2. has_ethnicity (takes on value "h")
>
> In some cases, I may need to find individuals who have identified do
> not have any ethnicity information.
>
> If I perform the DL query:
>
> (has_race value "b") and not (has_race "h")
>
> no results are retuned.?
>
> However, if explicitly assert (using a negative data property
> assertion) that an individual does not have has_ethnicity "h", the
> above query works. However, this is not what I need.?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> protege-user mailing list
> protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user

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From zkhan at csir.co.za  Wed Mar 28 23:51:06 2018
From: zkhan at csir.co.za (Zubeida Khan)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:51:06 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] * Early Career Symposium at FOIS 2018*
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From emiliosanfilippo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 03:19:01 2018
From: emiliosanfilippo at gmail.com (Emilio)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 03:19:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] SWRL rule with built-in elements
Message-ID: <1522318741659-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hello, 

 I would like to get a clarification concerning the use of SWRL rules with
built-in elements.
Consider the following example (hasMaxVolume and hasVolume are data
properties).

Machine(?x), Product(?y), produces(?x,?y),hasMaxVolume(?x,?v1),
hasVolume(?y,?v2) -> lessThan(?v2,?v1) 

The idea is that in order for a machine to produce a product, the maximum
volume that the machine can process has to be greater than the volume of the
product.

Consider now an A-box where the body of the rule holds between two
individuals, Machine(m) and Product(p), such that hasMaxVolume(m,100) and
hasVolume(p,200) with values expressed in xsd:float. Now, the head of the
rule should be false, since v2 is greater than v1. I would expect a reasoner
(Pellet) to trigger an inconsistency in the knowledge base, since what
stated in the A-box goes against the rule above. However, this does not
happen. Can someone please explain why?

An alternative may be to trigger an inconsistency in this way:

Machine(?x), Product(?y), produces(?x,?y),hasMaxVolume(?x,?v1),
hasVolume(?y,?v2), lessThan(?v1,?v2)  -> owl:Nothing(?x)

Any comment is very welcome.

Thanks,

  



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From wdduncan at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 06:55:37 2018
From: wdduncan at gmail.com (Bill Duncan)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:55:37 -0400
Subject: [protege-user] DL query for individuls that do not have a value
In-Reply-To: <3eb8fbc7-1d8b-6992-082d-cb208572d487@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
References: <CAM2Eo-eP64K-HVmtHXq0npQzjd1wjZ4m15Pt+qxifJMUniZ4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks ... I was afraid that might be the case.

So, in my example, b/c the individual does not explicitly have an ethnicity
value, you can't determine that the individual isn't a member/instance of
the class of things that do have an ethnicity value. Am I understanding
this correctly?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:50 AM, Lorenz Buehmann <
buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:

> OWL -> Open World Assumption -> a standard OWL reasoner can't infer by
> non-existence the negation, this needs an explicit statement.
>
> On 29.03.2018 05:32, Bill Duncan wrote:
>
> I am have trouble constructing a DL query for individuals that do not have
> a value.
>
> Suppose I have two data properties:
>
> 1. has_race (takes on values "w" "b" "a" "n")
> 2. has_ethnicity (takes on value "h")
>
> In some cases, I may need to find individuals who have identified do not
> have any ethnicity information.
>
> If I perform the DL query:
>
> (has_race value "b") and not (has_race "h")
>
> no results are retuned.
>
> However, if explicitly assert (using a negative data property assertion)
> that an individual does not have has_ethnicity "h", the above query works.
> However, this is not what I need.
>
>
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From shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 08:36:06 2018
From: shreyas.sp.patil at gmail.com (Shreyas Patil)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:36:06 -0400
Subject: [protege-user] SWRL rule with built-in elements
In-Reply-To: <1522318741659-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1522318741659-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALxVJc4fVrTzYPFvXm2DW0nd_Vfy9uWMxqqi7ahTfJ29XeUNLA@mail.gmail.com>

Emilio,

Are you using appropriate swrl prefixes?
Machine(?x), Product(?y), produces(?x,?y),hasMaxVolume(?x,?v1),
hasVolume(?y,?v2) ,swrlb:lessThan(?v2,?v1)-> exceedsboundsof(?y,?x).
Here the result can be set to class or object property

Regards,
Shreyas

On Thursday, March 29, 2018, Emilio <emiliosanfilippo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>  I would like to get a clarification concerning the use of SWRL rules with
> built-in elements.
> Consider the following example (hasMaxVolume and hasVolume are data
> properties).
>
> Machine(?x), Product(?y), produces(?x,?y),hasMaxVolume(?x,?v1),
> hasVolume(?y,?v2) -> lessThan(?v2,?v1)
>
> The idea is that in order for a machine to produce a product, the maximum
> volume that the machine can process has to be greater than the volume of
> the
> product.
>
> Consider now an A-box where the body of the rule holds between two
> individuals, Machine(m) and Product(p), such that hasMaxVolume(m,100) and
> hasVolume(p,200) with values expressed in xsd:float. Now, the head of the
> rule should be false, since v2 is greater than v1. I would expect a
> reasoner
> (Pellet) to trigger an inconsistency in the knowledge base, since what
> stated in the A-box goes against the rule above. However, this does not
> happen. Can someone please explain why?
>
> An alternative may be to trigger an inconsistency in this way:
>
> Machine(?x), Product(?y), produces(?x,?y),hasMaxVolume(?x,?v1),
> hasVolume(?y,?v2), lessThan(?v1,?v2)  -> owl:Nothing(?x)
>
> Any comment is very welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
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From emiliosanfilippo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 08:42:04 2018
From: emiliosanfilippo at gmail.com (Emilio)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:42:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] SWRL rule with built-in elements
In-Reply-To: <CALxVJc4fVrTzYPFvXm2DW0nd_Vfy9uWMxqqi7ahTfJ29XeUNLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1522318741659-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
 <CALxVJc4fVrTzYPFvXm2DW0nd_Vfy9uWMxqqi7ahTfJ29XeUNLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1522338124385-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hello Shreyas,

Thanks for your feedback. Yes, I do use the appropriate swrl prefixes; in
Protege they are actually inserted automatically. 

I understand your proposal. My question is whether the first rule I showed
above can be used to trigger an inconsistency, or built-in elements cannot
be used in that manner. Maybe this has to do with the semantics of built-ins
in SWRL.

Cheers, 



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From buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Fri Mar 30 00:59:33 2018
From: buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Lorenz Buehmann)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 09:59:33 +0200
Subject: [protege-user] DL query for individuls that do not have a value
In-Reply-To: <CAM2Eo-eQXPY9pM_ZKSej2fh5105Z5wC6Jvna9GcmkqWKn=nJmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2Eo-eP64K-HVmtHXq0npQzjd1wjZ4m15Pt+qxifJMUniZ4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
 <3eb8fbc7-1d8b-6992-082d-cb208572d487@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <CAM2Eo-eQXPY9pM_ZKSej2fh5105Z5wC6Jvna9GcmkqWKn=nJmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0afeed43-c48c-fe1a-0c13-86337e0868c2@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

> So, in my example, b/c the individual does not explicitly have an
> ethnicity value, you can't determine that the individual isn't a
> member/instance of the class of things that do have an ethnicity
> value. Am I understanding this correctly?
the class of things that do **not** have an ethnicity value.

The absence of an information can't be treated as negation


On 29.03.2018 15:55, Bill Duncan wrote:
> Thanks ... I was afraid that might be the case.
>
> So, in my example, b/c the individual does not explicitly have an
> ethnicity value, you can't determine that the individual isn't a
> member/instance of the class of things that do have an ethnicity
> value. Am I understanding this correctly?
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:50 AM, Lorenz Buehmann
> <buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de
> <mailto:buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de>> wrote:
>
>     OWL -> Open World Assumption -> a standard OWL reasoner can't
>     infer by non-existence the negation, this needs an explicit statement.
>
>
>     On 29.03.2018 05:32, Bill Duncan wrote:
>>     I am have trouble constructing a DL query for individuals that do
>>     not have a value.
>>
>>     Suppose I have two data properties:
>>
>>     1. has_race (takes on values "w" "b" "a" "n")
>>     2. has_ethnicity (takes on value "h")
>>
>>     In some cases, I may need to find individuals who have identified
>>     do not have any ethnicity information.
>>
>>     If I perform the DL query:
>>
>>     (has_race value "b") and not (has_race "h")
>>
>>     no results are retuned.?
>>
>>     However, if explicitly assert (using a negative data property
>>     assertion) that an individual does not have has_ethnicity "h",
>>     the above query works. However, this is not what I need.?
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
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>>     protege-user at lists.stanford.edu
>>     <mailto:protege-user at lists.stanford.edu>
>>     https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/protege-user
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>
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From irygaev at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 08:06:20 2018
From: irygaev at gmail.com (Ivan Rygaev)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 18:06:20 +0300
Subject: [protege-user] Change prefixes in a Webprotege project
Message-ID: <1522422380.373482.1321415904.3E6F25DC@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello!

We are using Webprotege on our own server. We would like to add one more
RDF prefix to an existing ontology project in it.
Basically I'm talking about the following tag in the RDF/XML format (the
red line needs to be added).
<rdf:RDF xmlns="http://proling.iitp.ru/ontologies/ontoetap.owl#"
     xml:base="http://proling.iitp.ru/ontologies/ontoetap.owl"
     xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
     xmlns:owl="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#"
     xmlns:ontoetap="http://proling.iitp.ru/ontologies/ontoetap.owl#"
     xmlns:common="http://proling.iitp.ru/ontologies/ontoetap.owl#"
     xmlns:swrlb="http://www.w3.org/2003/11/swrlb#"
     xmlns:swrl="http://www.w3.org/2003/11/swrl#"
     xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#"
     xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
     xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">

How can I do that? I don't see any pages in Webprotege where those
prefixes are even displayed, not talking about editing them. Moreover,
when I try to upload a copy of the project with the prefix added, it
gets removed. When I download the ontology back, the prefix is not
there. How does that work in Webprotege?
Thank you.

Ivan Rygaev
Laboratory of Computation Linguistics, IITP RAS, Moscow, Russia.
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From matthew.horridge at stanford.edu  Fri Mar 30 11:07:02 2018
From: matthew.horridge at stanford.edu (Matthew Horridge)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 18:07:02 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] Change prefixes in a Webprotege project
In-Reply-To: <1522422380.373482.1321415904.3E6F25DC@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1522422380.373482.1321415904.3E6F25DC@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <6DD00480-E7EE-4776-BECD-FF25997138F8@stanford.edu>

Hi,

You can?t edit prefixes in the current release.  The version of WebProtege hosted at webprotege.stanford.edu<http://webprotege.stanford.edu> offers the possibility of adding prefixes to a project (see screenshot below), but these are currently for use in the UI.  I?ve added an issue to the WebProtege issue tracker for this [1].

Cheers,

Matthew

[cid:B4EBF5F2-8094-47E7-8D26-F45F67423D7E at stanford.edu]

[1] https://github.com/protegeproject/webprotege/issues/475

On 30 Mar 2018, at 08:06, Ivan Rygaev <irygaev at gmail.com<mailto:irygaev at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello!

We are using Webprotege on our own server. We would like to add one more RDF prefix to an existing ontology project in it.

Basically I'm talking about the following tag in the RDF/XML format (the red line needs to be added).

<rdf:RDF xmlns="http://proling.iitp.ru/ontologies/ontoetap.owl#"
     xml:base="http://proling.iitp.ru/ontologies/ontoetap.owl"
     xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
     xmlns:owl="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#"
     xmlns:ontoetap="http://proling.iitp.ru/ontologies/ontoetap.owl#"
     xmlns:common="http://proling.iitp.ru/ontologies/ontoetap.owl#"
     xmlns:swrlb="http://www.w3.org/2003/11/swrlb#"
     xmlns:swrl="http://www.w3.org/2003/11/swrl#"
     xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#"
     xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
     xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">

How can I do that? I don't see any pages in Webprotege where those prefixes are even displayed, not talking about editing them. Moreover, when I try to upload a copy of the project with the prefix added, it gets removed. When I download the ontology back, the prefix is not there. How does that work in Webprotege?

Thank you.

Ivan Rygaev
Laboratory of Computation Linguistics, IITP RAS, Moscow, Russia.
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From razisyed4 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 12:25:21 2018
From: razisyed4 at gmail.com (RazaSyed)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:25:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [protege-user] How To Publish Ontology Online
Message-ID: <1522437921577-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Step by Step Guide to Publish Ontology Online on w3School



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From swt at stanford.edu  Fri Mar 30 13:11:31 2018
From: swt at stanford.edu (Samson Tu)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 20:11:31 +0000
Subject: [protege-user] DL query for individuls that do not have a value
In-Reply-To: <CAM2Eo-eQXPY9pM_ZKSej2fh5105Z5wC6Jvna9GcmkqWKn=nJmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2Eo-eP64K-HVmtHXq0npQzjd1wjZ4m15Pt+qxifJMUniZ4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
 <3eb8fbc7-1d8b-6992-082d-cb208572d487@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
 <CAM2Eo-eQXPY9pM_ZKSej2fh5105Z5wC6Jvna9GcmkqWKn=nJmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C431CAF1-EBF1-4DF4-AF75-D95C2307BDC5@stanford.edu>

Yes, however, you can use SPARQL query to find individuals who does not have attribute values (e.g.,

https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/

PREFIX  rdf:    <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>
PREFIX  foaf:   <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/>

SELECT ?person
WHERE
{
    ?person rdf:type  foaf:Person .
    FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?person foaf:name ?name }
}

With best regards,
Samson


On Mar 29, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Bill Duncan <wdduncan at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks ... I was afraid that might be the case.

So, in my example, b/c the individual does not explicitly have an ethnicity value, you can't determine that the individual isn't a member/instance of the class of things that do have an ethnicity value. Am I understanding this correctly?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:50 AM, Lorenz Buehmann <buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de<mailto:buehmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de>> wrote:

OWL -> Open World Assumption -> a standard OWL reasoner can't infer by non-existence the negation, this needs an explicit statement.

On 29.03.2018 05:32, Bill Duncan wrote:
I am have trouble constructing a DL query for individuals that do not have a value.

Suppose I have two data properties:

1. has_race (takes on values "w" "b" "a" "n")
2. has_ethnicity (takes on value "h")

In some cases, I may need to find individuals who have identified do not have any ethnicity information.

If I perform the DL query:

(has_race value "b") and not (has_race "h")

no results are retuned.

However, if explicitly assert (using a negative data property assertion) that an individual does not have has_ethnicity "h", the above query works. However, this is not what I need.



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